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DATE 2021-09-20
FROM aviva
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Subway Turnstyle Jumping
On 9/20/21 5:11 PM, Cindy Cohn wrote:
> I received the cc of your note to Matthew Guariglia. I just want you
> to hear from me personally, as EFF’s Executive Director, that sending
> obnoxious and insulting emails to EFF staffers is not OK



Yeah, I read the email again because I wanted to be sure.  OK - Ruben
called Matt and idiot, but so what?  It could be worse.  Don't get into
public discourse if that bends you out of shape.


Meanwhile, the message is well written, on the point and supports the
proposition of why Matt is an idiot.


None of its content was addressed.  


<of subway turnstiles causes racism. >> - Check that was true


<New York and Coney Island.  You're position lacks any reality and
encourages dangerous criminal activity.  It is a direct threat to the
safety of me and my family.>> Check that is true


<>100% true

<communities are, as a fact, a danger to themselves and represent a real
danger to everyone else.  I HATE surveillance, but if a camera can
encourage law enforcement of Subway Turnstile jumpers city-wide.  SO BE
IT.  I am sick of being pissed on in the Subway and being threatened
with violence.  What bothers me is how that data is now stored and
further used.  Instead of IDing and tracking everyone, if should just ID
the crime and leave investigation and enforcement to the police.  The
rest of the data should be deleted.>> All true and rational


<mixing in the race card based on a false narrative kills your integrity
to every honest working person in the City of New York.>>  True

<activities. Survalence concerns me  more than they do you and I have
been working on these issues since before you were a HS student, or
perhaps before your birth.   Prosecuting criminal activities and public
policing is a completely different issue.    They are two separate
issues.  But FWIW, you need MORE policing in these communities, not
less.  Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot.>> Completely true


<>
- True


<more arrests.

You are not helping EFF.  You are an enemy of the people, and ruthless
with a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings.>> - Well argued
and true


<< DARE YOU to come to my Pharmacy on E132nd and Madison avenue and work
for two weeks.  Aside from being physically attacked, you will see the
broad open dealing of drugs, and gun shootings that happen daily... so
much so that they are not even reported.  People live in fear, always.>>
- An great point


<people>> - Seems like a rational conclusion. Nobody should be proponents
of racism and expect to congratulated.


<a right to live in a relatively safe community without fear of being
shot down by gangs and assaulted on the subway.  Everyone deserves equal
protection under the law and justice is either blind, or it is not
justice at all.>> - Arguing for equal protection under the law seems
good and moral.


I see ZERO problem with the email.  I am sick of racist accusing
everyone else of being bigots and expecting us to just go with it ... we
are not going with it.

Cindy - your response is:

<>

That is a useless mantra that has no meaning.   Your suggesting that we
can never have surveillance?  Nobody argues that, and you don't believe
it.  It is a meaningless mantra.  It is not just untrue, but it is also
impossible.


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