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| DATE | 2021-09-20 |
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Subway Turnstyle Jumping
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From: Cindy Cohn
To: Ruben Safir , Matthew Guariglia , rms
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Subway Turnstyle Jumping
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Dear Mr. Safir,
I received the cc of your note to Matthew Guariglia. I just want you to hea=
r from me personally, as EFF=92s Executive Director, that sending obnoxious=
and insulting emails to EFF staffers is not OK. You can of course disagree=
with our positions, and we welcome thoughtful feedback, but if you cannot =
do so civilly, please keep your thoughts to yourself.
It is EFF=92s position that we cannot surveil ourselves to safety. From thi=
s email it seems that in some contexts you agree with us about the dangers =
of surveillance. We will have to disagree about the rest.
Cindy
-----
Cindy Cohn (she)
Executive Director
Electronic Frontier Foundation
815 Eddy Street
San Francisco, CA 94110
(415) 436-9333 x108
Join EFF! 30 Years Strong!
From: Ruben Safir
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:45 PM
To: Matthew Guariglia , Cindy Cohn , rms ms-at-gnu.org>, Hangout
Subject: Subway Turnstyle Jumping
Matthew
I listened to you on the latest EFF video and you're very disappointing
and need to step down from your position with EFF.
You laid down the false narrative that by enforcing the law on jumping
of subway turnstiles causes racism. Frankly, you are an idiot.
There is more criminal activities in communities like Harlem and East
New York and Coney Island. You're position lacks any reality and
encourages dangerous criminal activity. It is a direct threat to the
safety of me and my family.
There needs to be more policing in the communities, not less. Those
communities are, as a fact, a danger to themselves and represent a real
danger to everyone else. I HATE surveillance, but if a camera can
encourage law enforcement of Subway Turnstile jumpers city-wide. SO BE
IT. I am sick of being pissed on in the Subway and being threatened
with violence. What bothers me is how that data is now stored and
further used. Instead of IDing and tracking everyone, if should just ID
the crime and leave investigation and enforcement to the police. The
rest of the data should be deleted.
It is not just a technology issue, but a legal and ethical one. You're
mixing in the race card based on a false narrative kills your integrity
to every honest working person in the City of New York.
You're mixing up surveillance issues with the prosecution of criminal
activities. Survalence concerns me more than they do you and I have
been working on these issues since before you were a HS student, or
perhaps before your birth. Prosecuting criminal activities and public
policing is a completely different issue. They are two separate
issues. But FWIW, you need MORE policing in these communities, not
less. Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot.
As far as the policing issue is concerned, you are off your rocker.
These streets in these areas are dangerous. They need more policing and
more arrests.
You are not helping EFF. You are an enemy of the people, and ruthless
with a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings.
Ruevain Safir
I DARE YOU to come to my Pharmacy on E132nd and Madison avenue and work
for two weeks. Aside from being physically attacked, you will see the
broad open dealing of drugs, and gun shootings that happen daily... so
much so that they are not even reported. People live in fear, always.
You REALLY are a bad human being. You just don't give a damn about people
Everyone, no matter where they are born and where they live should have
a right to live in a relatively safe community without fear of being
shot down by gangs and assaulted on the subway. Everyone deserves equal
protection under the law and justice is either blind, or it is not
justice at all.
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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Date: Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:45 PM
To: Matthew Guariglia <matthew-at-eff.org>, Cindy Cohn <cindy-at-=
eff.org>, rms <rms-at-gnu.org>, Hangout <hangout-at-nylxs.com>
Subject: Subway Turnstyle Jumping Matthew
I listened to you on the latest EFF video and you're very disappointing
and need to step down from your position with EFF.
You laid down the false narrative that by enforcing the law on jumping
of subway turnstiles causes racism. Frankly, you are an idiot.
There is more criminal activities in communities like Harlem and East
New York and Coney Island. You're position lacks any reality and
encourages dangerous criminal activity. It is a direct threat to the<=
br>
safety of me and my family.
There needs to be more policing in the communities, not less. Thoser>
communities are, as a fact, a danger to themselves and represent a real
danger to everyone else. I HATE surveillance, but if a camera can
encourage law enforcement of Subway Turnstile jumpers city-wide. SO B=
E
IT. I am sick of being pissed on in the Subway and being threatenedr>
with violence. What bothers me is how that data is now stored and
further used. Instead of IDing and tracking everyone, if should just =
ID
the crime and leave investigation and enforcement to the police. The<=
br>
rest of the data should be deleted.
It is not just a technology issue, but a legal and ethical one. You'r=
e
mixing in the race card based on a false narrative kills your integrity
to every honest working person in the City of New York.
You're mixing up surveillance issues with the prosecution of criminal
activities. Survalence concerns me more than they do you and I haver>
been working on these issues since before you were a HS student, or
perhaps before your birth. Prosecuting criminal activities and =
public
policing is a completely different issue. They are two se=
parate
issues. But FWIW, you need MORE policing in these communities, not>
less. Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot.
As far as the policing issue is concerned, you are off your rocker.
These streets in these areas are dangerous. They need more policing a=
nd
more arrests.
You are not helping EFF. You are an enemy of the people, and ruthless=
with a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings.
Ruevain Safir
I DARE YOU to come to my Pharmacy on E132nd and Madison avenue and work
for two weeks. Aside from being physically attacked, you will see the=
broad open dealing of drugs, and gun shootings that happen daily... so
much so that they are not even reported. People live in fear, always.=
You REALLY are a bad human being. You just don't give a damn about pe=
ople
Everyone, no matter where they are born and where they live should have
a right to live in a relatively safe community without fear of being
shot down by gangs and assaulted on the subway. Everyone deserves equ=
al
protection under the law and justice is either blind, or it is not
justice at all.
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Deve=
lopment in Free Software
http://www.brooklyn-living.coma>
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013p>
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Dear Mr. Safir,
I received the cc of your note to Matthew Guariglia. I just want you to hea=
r from me personally, as EFF=92s Executive Director, that sending obnoxious=
and insulting emails to EFF staffers is not OK. You can of course disagree=
with our positions, and we welcome thoughtful feedback, but if you cannot =
do so civilly, please keep your thoughts to yourself.
It is EFF=92s position that we cannot surveil ourselves to safety. From thi=
s email it seems that in some contexts you agree with us about the dangers =
of surveillance. We will have to disagree about the rest.
Cindy
-----
Cindy Cohn (she)
Executive Director
Electronic Frontier Foundation
815 Eddy Street
San Francisco, CA 94110
(415) 436-9333 x108
Join EFF! 30 Years Strong!
From: Ruben Safir
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:45 PM
To: Matthew Guariglia , Cindy Cohn , rms ms-at-gnu.org>, Hangout
Subject: Subway Turnstyle Jumping
Matthew
I listened to you on the latest EFF video and you're very disappointing
and need to step down from your position with EFF.
You laid down the false narrative that by enforcing the law on jumping
of subway turnstiles causes racism. Frankly, you are an idiot.
There is more criminal activities in communities like Harlem and East
New York and Coney Island. You're position lacks any reality and
encourages dangerous criminal activity. It is a direct threat to the
safety of me and my family.
There needs to be more policing in the communities, not less. Those
communities are, as a fact, a danger to themselves and represent a real
danger to everyone else. I HATE surveillance, but if a camera can
encourage law enforcement of Subway Turnstile jumpers city-wide. SO BE
IT. I am sick of being pissed on in the Subway and being threatened
with violence. What bothers me is how that data is now stored and
further used. Instead of IDing and tracking everyone, if should just ID
the crime and leave investigation and enforcement to the police. The
rest of the data should be deleted.
It is not just a technology issue, but a legal and ethical one. You're
mixing in the race card based on a false narrative kills your integrity
to every honest working person in the City of New York.
You're mixing up surveillance issues with the prosecution of criminal
activities. Survalence concerns me more than they do you and I have
been working on these issues since before you were a HS student, or
perhaps before your birth. Prosecuting criminal activities and public
policing is a completely different issue. They are two separate
issues. But FWIW, you need MORE policing in these communities, not
less. Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot.
As far as the policing issue is concerned, you are off your rocker.
These streets in these areas are dangerous. They need more policing and
more arrests.
You are not helping EFF. You are an enemy of the people, and ruthless
with a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings.
Ruevain Safir
I DARE YOU to come to my Pharmacy on E132nd and Madison avenue and work
for two weeks. Aside from being physically attacked, you will see the
broad open dealing of drugs, and gun shootings that happen daily... so
much so that they are not even reported. People live in fear, always.
You REALLY are a bad human being. You just don't give a damn about people
Everyone, no matter where they are born and where they live should have
a right to live in a relatively safe community without fear of being
shot down by gangs and assaulted on the subway. Everyone deserves equal
protection under the law and justice is either blind, or it is not
justice at all.
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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EFF staffers is not OK. You can of course
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From: e=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>r>
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:45 PM
To: Matthew Guariglia <matthew-at-eff.org>, Cindy Cohn <cindy-at-=
eff.org>, rms <rms-at-gnu.org>, Hangout <hangout-at-nylxs.com>
Subject: Subway Turnstyle Jumping Matthew
I listened to you on the latest EFF video and you're very disappointing
and need to step down from your position with EFF.
You laid down the false narrative that by enforcing the law on jumping
of subway turnstiles causes racism. Frankly, you are an idiot.
There is more criminal activities in communities like Harlem and East
New York and Coney Island. You're position lacks any reality and
encourages dangerous criminal activity. It is a direct threat to the<=
br>
safety of me and my family.
There needs to be more policing in the communities, not less. Thoser>
communities are, as a fact, a danger to themselves and represent a real
danger to everyone else. I HATE surveillance, but if a camera can
encourage law enforcement of Subway Turnstile jumpers city-wide. SO B=
E
IT. I am sick of being pissed on in the Subway and being threatenedr>
with violence. What bothers me is how that data is now stored and
further used. Instead of IDing and tracking everyone, if should just =
ID
the crime and leave investigation and enforcement to the police. The<=
br>
rest of the data should be deleted.
It is not just a technology issue, but a legal and ethical one. You'r=
e
mixing in the race card based on a false narrative kills your integrity
to every honest working person in the City of New York.
You're mixing up surveillance issues with the prosecution of criminal
activities. Survalence concerns me more than they do you and I haver>
been working on these issues since before you were a HS student, or
perhaps before your birth. Prosecuting criminal activities and =
public
policing is a completely different issue. They are two se=
parate
issues. But FWIW, you need MORE policing in these communities, not>
less. Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot.
As far as the policing issue is concerned, you are off your rocker.
These streets in these areas are dangerous. They need more policing a=
nd
more arrests.
You are not helping EFF. You are an enemy of the people, and ruthless=
with a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings.
Ruevain Safir
I DARE YOU to come to my Pharmacy on E132nd and Madison avenue and work
for two weeks. Aside from being physically attacked, you will see the=
broad open dealing of drugs, and gun shootings that happen daily... so
much so that they are not even reported. People live in fear, always.=
You REALLY are a bad human being. You just don't give a damn about pe=
ople
Everyone, no matter where they are born and where they live should have
a right to live in a relatively safe community without fear of being
shot down by gangs and assaulted on the subway. Everyone deserves equ=
al
protection under the law and justice is either blind, or it is not
justice at all.
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Deve=
lopment in Free Software
http://www.brooklyn-living.coma>
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013p>
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