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DATE | 2021-09-26 |
FROM | aviva
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Subway Turnstyle Jumping
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sun Sep 26 17:49:41 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079C4163FC0; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 17:49:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1F0163FBB; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 17:49:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1632692971; bh=oSQhyG8OY6xRB0vS9CJmYZraG6ecGt/cbbn5MUwxsEA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Pc8KLC6BBfdxcQGc647HT8nc8Erg/2qdoUYc3H6rA5cjszpk8Ff0YeZsiTCWzAEb9 RndaxfNV3YwWRMTADZB0rLGcjGr5JVTvuP0cshAmN0ymklqCjPXGtIfBnSWbOgXPjx JdgneaJBkIyKTMLFv0k6BN6MgYvzN185ecTJxYOg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.0.0.62] ([96.57.23.83]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N63RQ-1msZt43uPY-016Odb; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 23:49:31 +0200 To: Cindy Cohn , Ruben Safir , Matthew Guariglia , rms , Hangout References: From: aviva Organization: Doc's Mailing List Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 17:48:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:o0bCbjMatG+kSlSNWoKu7Dr29AW6WWYhbnddWjcdrpFCC2IoDut Myk+QJqRsU2kFyVzCnf7Y6CQz6JU/bgzDPNqCo2jzPRoyUNvVuGOKtC3HRoxGrFtmBFtjfS UCMUtbw06oMsKMChqrBOa3u/bkeo4yc4xqhuDc1xTcoXEgrmBx2QMKXMcgcJNuAWI499pLt evOEAcRR7IhFe1en/mwEw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:F5xQGDphJQU=:qA3FFi57JeD8ZeEjrW5IhX /SDHYiHnvEjCbmiQ/pTY5Neg7SSsgP19pj99cdusOhMReVCngTgzTijKdcBQXCD1jhwuB+F7t UhDztDEd6tvJFoGKCWJ3e9/ux8eZJMO+spVzki3XEQD+WHyUTLigfHHvWfNbVaWTAHeVk9Uh+ kfAeDZ0UtH0x8SxcPnuKvdCNee0os5YEB4FyrBur2UsGPtbhMyduMy2E/a9uWBz1mHPWCCXPi Cz7jfCsVo5LFIr/CCF0AKjT98mDaHvQiBpthGmIxZ4ugXGStfBHKDF37uK5X4HDHFCSCvdS5/ 7BUYV0YW7WIfTuEpdxI7KxJEllKgLH81S8S4vA+ufIwHogx/AmDNBNx1lNfcx2l3ORkYsIFcm 7pqE3NRqcsIBNvy8Jhbcqlysb5lyImSXKY1IXLwcgVf3+GXvxtyzarN7KBUE3ZnZRZJuZzlp0 hP6ul0C5SPn/r9Z4w2hYDuA2L05xkfuohIp7IeLTC9kjEQR4x1vJz0uMTUj40TEIp2nxZJvxF /pc8T5j2/dQaHFZEDuY0M5zY7GDLserwuRuzq68RlLxcJ4iQBK5lALuLNmNAuElRNQQbmENH9 hH3eMb9749IL+voGgc5DgxPyUZLejyz0BJcWxjS83rlVC+c7PZLOnB/7HWPmgG8uvJJOcsGep xdLL1LICsuon27HUpBOlJjYvhwJkuCOKeRpC7f3kOVlGeTEYysTsYIbb5Rn8JmxE8SFcKG+nJ SV6OW5GCPUj1OcJPCBHxNDHnu2VnErs1cLCq7PvPd+ffollA5WIeWakJHM9emxIHTMdjloz3r H9JZIVxYRSgkmF7Qa7xw3MJzQYwkTO3njSrk5izJvy8no8ju2LUCTeMuzbu2jJ+JsZIO1Kw+j +61Qp8xhIrfS8nfcaEdVTobEls+BvG/i5RcgpM5gygYGOnQwygHBT/7HCB1B7ffLwpb99gGUq ENl07BOmWq312ldMthOZapmJ4JdQJyrxpfsM3GSC9xpN18CvJyf4sUUkF7QvsfaPCEzeO9dHC wxBgpRN3TbmNpaWiADu1ttHzQsMpEEcF8ckYX5SAEKdIhmF9uwpD1RfbKHoSk9kYpg== Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Subway Turnstyle Jumping X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
silence - as expected... this is why the eff is of zero use
On 9/20/21 5:11 PM, Cindy Cohn wrote: > > Dear Mr. Safir, > > =A0 > > I received the cc of your note to Matthew Guariglia. I just want you > to hear from me personally, as EFF=92s Executive Director, that sending > obnoxious and insulting emails to EFF staffers is not OK. You can of > course disagree with our positions, and we welcome thoughtful > feedback, but if you cannot do so civilly, please keep your thoughts > to yourself.=A0=A0 > > =A0 > > It is EFF=92s position that we cannot surveil ourselves to safety.=A0From > this email it seems that in some contexts you agree with us about the > dangers of surveillance. We will have to disagree about the rest.=A0=A0 > > =A0 > > Cindy > > =A0 > > ----- > > Cindy Cohn=A0 (she) > > Executive Director > > Electronic Frontier Foundation > > 815 Eddy Street > > San Francisco, CA 94110 > > (415) 436-9333 x108 > > =A0 > > Join EFF!=A0 =A030 Years Strong > ! > > =A0 > > =A0 > > *From: *Ruben Safir > *Date: *Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:45 PM > *To: *Matthew Guariglia , Cindy Cohn , > rms , Hangout > *Subject: *Subway Turnstyle Jumping > > Matthew > > > I listened to you on the latest EFF video and you're very disappointing > and need to step down from your position with EFF. > > You laid down the false narrative that by enforcing the law on jumping > of subway turnstiles causes racism.=A0 Frankly, you are an idiot. > > There is more criminal activities in communities like Harlem and East > New York and Coney Island.=A0 You're position lacks any reality and > encourages dangerous criminal activity.=A0 It is a direct threat to the > safety of me and my family. > > There needs to be more policing in the communities, not less.=A0 Those > communities are, as a fact, a danger to themselves and represent a real > danger to everyone else.=A0 I HATE surveillance, but if a camera can > encourage law enforcement of Subway Turnstile jumpers city-wide.=A0 SO BE > IT.=A0 I am sick of being pissed on in the Subway and being threatened > with violence.=A0 What bothers me is how that data is now stored and > further used.=A0 Instead of IDing and tracking everyone, if should just ID > the crime and leave investigation and enforcement to the police.=A0 The > rest of the data should be deleted. > > It is not just a technology issue, but a legal and ethical one.=A0 You're > mixing in the race card based on a false narrative kills your integrity > to every honest working person in the City of New York. > > You're mixing up surveillance issues with the prosecution of criminal > activities. Survalence concerns me=A0 more than they do you and I have > been working on these issues since before you were a HS student, or > perhaps before your birth.=A0=A0 Prosecuting criminal activities and publ= ic > policing is a completely different issue.=A0=A0=A0 They are two separate > issues.=A0 But FWIW, you need MORE policing in these communities, not > less.=A0 Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot. > > As far as the policing issue is concerned, you are off your rocker. > > These streets in these areas are dangerous.=A0 They need more policing and > more arrests. > > You are not helping EFF.=A0 You are an enemy of the people, and ruthless > with a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings. > > > Ruevain Safir > > I DARE YOU to come to my Pharmacy on E132nd and Madison avenue and work > for two weeks.=A0 Aside from being physically attacked, you will see the > broad open dealing of drugs, and gun shootings that happen daily... so > much so that they are not even reported.=A0 People live in fear, always. > > You REALLY are a bad human being.=A0 You just don't give a damn about peo= ple > > Everyone, no matter where they are born and where they live should have > a right to live in a relatively safe community without fear of being > shot down by gangs and assaulted on the subway.=A0 Everyone deserves equal > protection under the law and justice is either blind, or it is not > justice at all. > > -- > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development > in Free Software > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 > > > _______________________________________________ > Hangout mailing list > Hangout-at-nylxs.com > http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout
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