|SUBJECT ||Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Subway Turnstyle Jumping
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To: Cindy Cohn , Ruben Safir ,
Matthew Guariglia , rms ,
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Subway Turnstyle Jumping
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silence - as expected...
this is why the eff is of zero use
On 9/20/21 5:11 PM, Cindy Cohn wrote:
> Dear Mr. Safir,
> I received the cc of your note to Matthew Guariglia. I just want you
> to hear from me personally, as EFF=92s Executive Director, that sending
> obnoxious and insulting emails to EFF staffers is not OK. You can of
> course disagree with our positions, and we welcome thoughtful
> feedback, but if you cannot do so civilly, please keep your thoughts
> to yourself.=A0=A0
> It is EFF=92s position that we cannot surveil ourselves to safety.=A0From
> this email it seems that in some contexts you agree with us about the
> dangers of surveillance. We will have to disagree about the rest.=A0=A0
> Cindy Cohn=A0 (she)
> Executive Director
> Electronic Frontier Foundation
> 815 Eddy Street
> San Francisco, CA 94110
> (415) 436-9333 x108
> Join EFF!=A0 =A030 Years Strong
> *From: *Ruben Safir
> *Date: *Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:45 PM
> *To: *Matthew Guariglia , Cindy Cohn ,
> rms , Hangout
> *Subject: *Subway Turnstyle Jumping
> I listened to you on the latest EFF video and you're very disappointing
> and need to step down from your position with EFF.
> You laid down the false narrative that by enforcing the law on jumping
> of subway turnstiles causes racism.=A0 Frankly, you are an idiot.
> There is more criminal activities in communities like Harlem and East
> New York and Coney Island.=A0 You're position lacks any reality and
> encourages dangerous criminal activity.=A0 It is a direct threat to the
> safety of me and my family.
> There needs to be more policing in the communities, not less.=A0 Those
> communities are, as a fact, a danger to themselves and represent a real
> danger to everyone else.=A0 I HATE surveillance, but if a camera can
> encourage law enforcement of Subway Turnstile jumpers city-wide.=A0 SO BE
> IT.=A0 I am sick of being pissed on in the Subway and being threatened
> with violence.=A0 What bothers me is how that data is now stored and
> further used.=A0 Instead of IDing and tracking everyone, if should just ID
> the crime and leave investigation and enforcement to the police.=A0 The
> rest of the data should be deleted.
> It is not just a technology issue, but a legal and ethical one.=A0 You're
> mixing in the race card based on a false narrative kills your integrity
> to every honest working person in the City of New York.
> You're mixing up surveillance issues with the prosecution of criminal
> activities. Survalence concerns me=A0 more than they do you and I have
> been working on these issues since before you were a HS student, or
> perhaps before your birth.=A0=A0 Prosecuting criminal activities and publ=
> policing is a completely different issue.=A0=A0=A0 They are two separate
> issues.=A0 But FWIW, you need MORE policing in these communities, not
> less.=A0 Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot.
> As far as the policing issue is concerned, you are off your rocker.
> These streets in these areas are dangerous.=A0 They need more policing and
> more arrests.
> You are not helping EFF.=A0 You are an enemy of the people, and ruthless
> with a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings.
> Ruevain Safir
> I DARE YOU to come to my Pharmacy on E132nd and Madison avenue and work
> for two weeks.=A0 Aside from being physically attacked, you will see the
> broad open dealing of drugs, and gun shootings that happen daily... so
> much so that they are not even reported.=A0 People live in fear, always.
> You REALLY are a bad human being.=A0 You just don't give a damn about peo=
> Everyone, no matter where they are born and where they live should have
> a right to live in a relatively safe community without fear of being
> shot down by gangs and assaulted on the subway.=A0 Everyone deserves equal
> protection under the law and justice is either blind, or it is not
> justice at all.
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development
> in Free Software
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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