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MESSAGE
DATE 2023-11-27
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Blood Money
https://www.murphy.senate.gov/contact/


Sen. Chris Murphy (D., Conn.), chairman of the Foreign Relations
subcommittee on the Middle East, made positive noises about the idea
Sunday. “We regularly condition our aid to allies based upon compliance
with U.S. law and international law,” he said, adding, “I think that you
can defeat Hamas without this level of civilian casualty,” which he
calls “unacceptable.” - from the WSJ

I just wanted to tell you - BULLSHIT. Israel is just a little country
and there are ONLY about 16 million Jews left in the world and these
NAZI BASTARDS will kill them ALL. The most amount of force as possible
needs to be leveled at HAMAS to end this war ARE QUICKLY as POSSIBLE
with the FEWIST Jewish deaths.

If you are so touchingly concerned about these civilian lives then don't
risk any more... and force HAMAS to SURRENDER.


On 11/27/23 20:46, Ruben Safir wrote:
> Opinion | Democrats Want ‘Conditions’ on Israel
> The Editorial Board
> 4–5 minutes
>
> Israel agreed on Monday to a two-day extension of its truce with Hamas
> to gain the release of more hostages, a priority of President Biden. But
> another idea is gaining ground among Democrats that is more dangerous:
> condition U.S. aid on how Israel conducts its war of self-preservation.
>
> The stipulation is said to be merely that Israel follow international
> law. But since Israel does follow international law, and the U.S.
> already can withhold foreign assistance on human-rights grounds, the
> condition is unnecessary—but not harmless. During wartime, it would
> signal to Israel’s enemies that the U.S. has gone wobbly on the campaign
> to destroy Hamas.
>
> Sen. Chris Murphy (D., Conn.), chairman of the Foreign Relations
> subcommittee on the Middle East, made positive noises about the idea
> Sunday. “We regularly condition our aid to allies based upon compliance
> with U.S. law and international law,” he said, adding, “I think that you
> can defeat Hamas without this level of civilian casualty,” which he
> calls “unacceptable.”
>
> Asked on Friday, President Biden said conditioning aid is “a worthwhile
> thought,” but “I don’t think if I started off with that, we’d ever
> gotten to where we are today. We have to take this a piece at a time.”
> Asked twice to clarify, national security adviser Jake Sullivan wouldn’t
> rule out the idea.
>
> Not for the first time, Democrats are following Sen. Bernie Sanders (I.,
> Vt.), who called for the condition on Thursday. “We cannot be complicit
> in actions that violate international law,” he wrote. “That includes an
> end to indiscriminate bombing.” Mr. Sanders is responding to the
> increasingly loud street protests against Israel by the Democratic left.
>
> This is an example of how the proposal to condition aid is linked to the
> libels against Israel that one hears whenever it defends itself.
> Israel’s counteroffensive has been the opposite of indiscriminate.
> Forced by Hamas to fight in a densely populated urban area, Israel has
> hit more than 15,000 targets. If those had been indiscriminate strikes,
> the death toll would be many times higher than even Hamas claims.
>
> Hamas has attacked Israel indiscriminately every day of the war,
> beginning with the Oct. 7 massacre. Each of the terrorist group’s more
> than 10,000 rocket attacks has been a war crime, firing on Israeli
> cities without care for who or what gets hit.
>
> Mr. Biden doesn’t need to condition aid to influence Israel. He
> persuaded Israel to delay and moderate its ground invasion, decline to
> escalate with Hezbollah, use a smaller force in north Gaza, allow more
> aid and pause some operations. He encouraged Israel to delay again
> before turning to south Gaza and helped shape the hostage deal and pause
> in the fighting.
>
> This heavy involvement—some would say micromanagement—has been geared
> largely toward ends other than Israeli victory. But imposing this new
> condition on U.S. aid would be different. Amid a campaign of
> vilification of Israel on precisely this issue of international law, it
> would constitute a threat.
>
> U.S. aid to Israel isn’t sacrosanct, and many on the Israeli right have
> long argued that peacetime aid—mostly credits with U.S. arms
> manufacturers—fosters unhealthy dependence. But this push from the left,
> in wartime, has nothing to do with the flaws of foreign aid.
>
> The purpose is to warn Israel that it will risk losing U.S. support if
> it tries to complete its mission of toppling Hamas; and that
> Hamas-induced civilian casualties mean Israel can’t destroy Hamas’s
> terrorist capabilities. Is that the emerging position of the Democratic
> Party?
>
> Our guess is that Americans reject that view, and that if these
> questions were put to a vote, so would most U.S. lawmakers. That would
> be a message worth sending to Israel’s enemies. Republicans, why not
> help Israel by putting Democrats to the test?

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