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DATE 2023-12-27
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times is sueing !


The Times, one of the most respected news organizations in the United
States, is seeking damages, as well as an order that the companies stop
using its content for the training of AI models -- and destroy data
already harvested.


sg.news.yahoo.com
New York Times sues OpenAI, Microsoft in copyright clash
Alex PIGMAN
4–5 minutes

The New York Times says OpenAI and Microsoft are using powerful AI
models to take millions of articles without permission (Alastair PIKE)

The New York Times says OpenAI and Microsoft are using powerful AI
models to take millions of articles without permission (Alastair PIKE)

The New York Times sued ChatGPT-maker OpenAI and Microsoft in a US court
on Wednesday, alleging that the companies' powerful AI models used
millions of articles for training without permission.

Through their AI chatbots, the companies "seek to free-ride on The
Times' massive investment in its journalism by using it to build
substitutive products without permission or payment," the lawsuit said.

Copyright is becoming a major battleground for the much-hyped generative
AI sector, with publishers, musicians and artists increasingly lawyering
up to get paid for technology that is being built with their content.

With the suit, The New York Times also chose the more confrontational
response to the sudden rise of AI chatbots, in contrast to other media
groups such as Germany's Axel Springer or the Associated Press that have
entered content deals with OpenAI.

"If The Times and other news organizations cannot produce and protect
their independent journalism, there will be a vacuum that no computer or
artificial intelligence can fill," said the Times' complaint.

"Less journalism will be produced, and the cost to society will be
enormous."

The Times, one of the most respected news organizations in the United
States, is seeking damages, as well as an order that the companies stop
using its content for the training of AI models -- and destroy data
already harvested.

While no sum is specifically requested, the Times alleges that the
infringement could have cost "billions of dollars in statutory and
actual damages."

Microsoft, the world's second biggest company by market capitalization,
is a major investor in OpenAI, and swiftly implemented the powers of AI
in its own products after the release of ChatGPT last year.

The AI models that power ChatGPT and Microsoft's Copilot (formerly Bing)
were trained for years on content available on the internet, under the
assumption that it was fair to be used without compensation.

But the lawsuit, filed in a federal court in New York, argued that the
use of the Times' work was unlawful notably because the new products
created a potential rival to news publishers.

OpenAI said it was "surprised and disappointed" by the lawsuit given
that it was in talks with the Times over the issue that were "moving
forward constructively."

"We're hopeful that we will find a mutually beneficial way to work
together, as we are doing with many other publishers," an OpenAI
spokesperson added.

- Not 'transformative' -

But the Times said that in its attempts to seal a content deal with
OpenAI, it was told that the technology was "transformative" and
therefore did not require a commercial arrangement.

"There is nothing 'transformative' about using The Times' content
without payment to create products that substitute for The Times and
steal audiences away from it," the lawsuit alleged.

The lawsuit also said that content generated by ChatGPT and Copilot
closely mimicked New York Times style, at times falsely citing the paper
as a source, and that its output was given a privileged status by OpenAI
because of its reliability.

The emerging AI giants are facing a wave of lawsuits over their use of
internet content to build their AI systems that create content on simple
prompts.

Last year, "Game of Thrones" author George RR Martin and other
best-selling fiction writers filed a class-action lawsuit against
OpenAI, accusing the startup of violating their copyrights to fuel ChatGPT.

Universal and other music publishers have sued AI company Anthropic in a
US court for using copyrighted lyrics to train its systems and in
generating answers to user queries.

US photo distributor Getty Images has accused Stability AI of profiting
from its pictures and those of its partners in order to make visual AI
that creates original images.

Hundreds of news publishers meanwhile have used programming code to
block OpenAI, Google and others from scanning their websites for
training data.

With lawsuits piling up, Microsoft and AI player Google have announced
they would cover the legal fees of corporate customers sued for
copyright infringement over content generated by their AI.
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