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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-12-23
FROM From: "Steve Milo"
SUBJECT Re: RE: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your bu siness?'

Really.
When was the last time that MS genuinely addressed the concerns of the

Open Source community?

Steve M

F-at-#k it -A roman soldier when asked if he really thought the roman
empire was going to fall (according to Mel Brooks).


----- Original Message -----
From: "Inker, Evan"
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:02 pm
Subject: RE: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your

bu siness?'

>
> David,
>
> I couldn't agree more as any feedback given with just be turned
> around and
> mis-quoted. For fun, I've viewed both surveys and they are literally
> worthless...Its just the humor content that made it worth seeing first
> hand...
>
> Happy Holidays David!
>
> Regards,
>
> Evan M. Inker (New York) x. 4615
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sugar [mailto:dyfet-at-ostel.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:19 PM
> To: Inker, Evan; 'Hangout-at-nylxs.com'
> Subject: Re: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get
> yourbusiness?'
>
>
> I think generally it should simply be ignored. It had been
> suggested by
> some
> that it might be fun to give selective and deliberately false
> answers, but I
>
> don't think that is an appropriate response either, for that is
> reducing
> ourselves to their level and methods.
>
> On Tuesday 23 December 2003 02:25 pm, Inker, Evan wrote:
> > Title Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your
> business?'>
> > Date 2003.12.21 10:44
> > Author roblimo
> > Topic Linux <"
> target="l">http://www.newsforge.com/search.pl?topic=2>>
> http://www.newsforge.co>
> > Microsoft has started distributing two online surveys to Linux
> User
> > Groups and Linux users in general, one asking primarily about
> home
> > computer use, the other about business use. They apparently
> don't plan
> > to release the results of their surveys, so we and other people
> in the
> > open source community are asking you to look at them and post
> your
> > answers and comments here and on other appropriate sites where,
> in
> > open source style, everyone can see them. Read on for more
> information
> > and links, and please help spread the word about these surveys;
> as far
> > as we know, this is the first time Microsoft has asked Linux
> users why
> > we use Linux instead of their products, and the more results,
> the
> > merrier. Author's Note: I'll reveal some of *my* answers to
> > Microsoft's questions in a comment I'll post shortly after this
> story
> > goes live, just to kick things off.
> >
> > We heard about this survey through an email sent to a LUG
> mailing list
> > that was passed on to us. The email started with these lines:
> >
> > I am a program manager at Microsoft doing some research around
> how we
> > can improve our operating systems. My goal is to help us
> identify
> > capabilities, improvements, and features that Microsoft should
> be
> > focusing on to help our customers over the next 5 years or so.
> >
> > I am particularly interested in hearing from Linux users, and
> get
> > their input about what they feel should be the priorities. In
> > particular, I would like to better understand what it is that
> makes
> > Linux and Open Source solutions so useful for you.
> >
> > It was signed by "Michael Surkan," using the "Reply To" address
> > lnq-at-microsoft.com .
> >
> > A follow-up message in response to a fellow OSDN employee who
> emailed
> > to ask, "Have you contacted just our LUG, or more than one?" said:
> >
> > From: frankwilliams291-at-hotmail.com (Frank Williams)
> > To: [name and email address removed]
> >
> > Thanks so much for agreeing to share your ideas about Linux.
> > Unfortunately, Michael Surkan (the Microsoft program manager who
> > contacted your Linux user
> > group) is a bit overwhelmed with e-mail right now, so I
> volunteered to
> help
> > him by sending the survey URLs to people who want to take his
> survey. I
> > hope you don't mind.
> >
> > Michael has put together some on-line surveys to make it easier
> to
> > collect your answers.
> >
> > One survey asks questions about Linux in the home environment.
> The
> > other survey asks what makes Linux a great option at work. You
> can
> > take whichever survey you feel you have the most knowledge
> about. Feel
> > free to take both surveys if you wish. Or none at all. :)
> >
> > On-line survey about Linux in the home:
> > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=17174325370&c=2206
> >
> > On-line survey about Linux at work:
> > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=2550325411&c=2206
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Frank Williams
> >
> > So go ahead, make Frank and Michael happy by answering the
> questions.
> > But please don't forget to share at least a few selected answers
> with
> > others, either here on NewsForge or on other Linux/open source
> news
> > and community sites.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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  89. 2003-12-13 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] is any one comming to tech nite tonight
  90. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] html-at-ssc.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - December 10
  91. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] United Online Launches Service for Linux-based LindowsOS Computer s Under its NetZero and Juno Brands
  92. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Few - The Proud: Hey it is a JOB!
  93. 2003-12-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft's New Toll Road (MUST READ STORY)
  94. 2003-12-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Board and General Meeting
  95. 2003-12-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Mailing list not working
  96. 2003-12-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] grepping
  97. 2003-12-11 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Has sar been deprecated?
  98. 2003-12-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Board and General Meeting
  99. 2003-12-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Must read for those interested in copyright issues
  100. 2003-12-10 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board and General Meeting
  101. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  102. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  103. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  104. 2003-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] IRS
  105. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] The RIAAs reign of terror is over
  106. 2003-12-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] The RIAAs reign of terror is over
  107. 2003-12-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] part 6 or 7 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  108. 2003-12-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part 6 or 7 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT
  109. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Part 5 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  110. 2003-12-06 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] part3 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  111. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Part 4 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  112. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part3 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  113. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part2 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  114. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  115. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] More on Spain's LSSI
  116. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Spain's LSSI: All websites must register
  117. 2003-12-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] [linux-elitists] Monday 15 Dec: first all-Open
  118. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [linux-elitists] Let's help Google get better results for SCO searches. [dmarti-at-zgp.org]

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