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DATE 2003-12-06
FROM Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] More on Spain's LSSI



On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Jon O. wrote:

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> http://www.epic.org/privacy/intl/lssi.html
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> The new Spanish "Law of Information Society Services and Electronic Commerce" (LSSI)
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> NGOs' Campaigns | News | Regulations | LSSI's Most Controversial Provisions | Comments on the LSSI | Other Resources
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> On October 12, 2002, The Spanish "Law of Information Society Services and Electronic Commerce" (Ley de Servicios de la Sociedad de la Información y de Comercio Electrónico ("LSSI") (PDF) entered into force after its enactment by the Spanish Parliament on June 27, 2002. The LSSI is the implementation into Spanish law of the European Union Directive on electronic commerce (Dir. 2000/31/EC) and some of the provisions of the European Directive on Privacy and Electronic Communications (Dir. 2002/58/EC).
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> Contents of the LSSI
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> The new Spanish law applies to every Web site located in Spain that engages in commerce, stating that those Web sites now have to register with the government. If a Web site is not engaged in commerce but derives some income (even with a loss) from the operation of the Web site, its webmaster still has to publish his name, address and national identification number. Violators may be fined up to EUR 600,000 for non-compliance. The statute also compels Internet service and access providers to retain customer and traffic data for up to one year, which government agents will then be able to access with a judge's order. Free speech activists successfully altered previous language of the LSSI draft that would have only required action by the government's administrative authorities.instead of a judge.to shut down a Web site.
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> How is the LSSI a threat to fundamental rights?
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> The new law has drawn much criticism among human rights activists and small Web site owners around the world over its impact on the right to privacy and data protection, online free speech, the presumption of innocence, the right to confidentiality of communications, and the right to anonymous speech, as these rights are protected by international human rights conventions.
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> The data retention provision is of particular concern since it compels Internet service providers and telephone companies to retain all their customers' traffic and location data for up to a year. The industry is concerned about these new requirements because of their excessive cost and privacy implications.
> New registration and identification requirements may in some cases stifle the right to anonymous speech and could be used as a tool of indirect censorship, especially in the case of small and independent web site owners with views and interests running against the government.
> NGOs' Campaigns against the LSSI
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> Kriptopolis' campaigns
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> Kriptopolis, a member of the Global Internet Liberty Campaign (GILC), has claimed that the law has serious implications for free speech on the Internet. It asserts that the LSSI "constitutes the biggest attack against free speech on the Internet since the enactment of the American Communications Decency Act of 1996." After shutting down its heavily-visited Web site on October 1, 2002, several Web site owners spontaneously decided to follow their lead and shut down their own Web sites, either on a open-ended basis to protest against the law, or for good, out of fear of how the law could be applied to them in the future to silence dissenting views and political opponents. More than 350 Web sites have shut down in a matter of days (updated list).
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> Last July, Kriptopolis led a campaign to have the LSSI reviewed by the Spanish Constitutional Council before it entered into force, claiming that the LSSI violated the Constitution's principles of presumption of innocence, freedom of speech and confidentiality of communications (Spanish Constitution, articles 18, 20, and 24) (Press coverage). The Constitutional Court can decide on a motion for review of constitutionality only if 50 Members of Parliament, 50 senators, the president, the "Defensor del Pueblo" (The People's Defender), or the executive or legislative bodies of Spain's Autonomous Communities seize the Court. More than 4,400 people urged the Constitutional Court's intervention after Kriptopolis encouraged its readers to write to their representatives. On October 2, 2002, the Defensor del Pueblo's resolution denied the request (more details). The LSSI became effective ten days later.
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> Stop1984's campaign (launched on November 4, 2002) (More information)
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> Periodista digital's campaign (launched in November 4, 2002)
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> La nueva Ley de Internet del Gobierno Aznar supone una amenaza letal para la libertad de prensa en España. Contiene artículos que son .leyes en blanco. que permiten una total arbitrariedad en su aplicación y parece diseñada para proteger los intereses de los grandes grupos de comunicación e impedir el nacimiento, desarrollo y supervivencia de cualquier forma de periodismo que no se ajuste al .pensamiento único. (...).
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> "The new Internet law of Aznar's government [the LSSI] presents a lethal threat for the freedom of the press in Spain. It contains legal provisions that give carte blanche to the government, allowing total arbitrariness and seemingly designed to protect big communications companies' interests and prevent the birth, development and survival of forms of journalism that do not conform to mainstream thought" (...). (more details)
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> News
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> * Los internautas se movilizan contra la ley española de internet. Gara.net, November 13, 2002.
> * Spain's new rules drive Web sites off the Internet. Washington Times, November 4, 2002.
> * Una ONG defensora de las libertades civiles en EEUU denuncia que la LSSI viola los derechos humanos. Libertad digital, November 4, 2002.
> * La LSSI, acusada de violar las convenciones de derechos humanos. IBLNews, October 31, 2002.
> * La Ley de Internet española, acusada de violar las convenciones de derechos humanos, El País, October 31, 2002.
> * Adios Amigos! Washington Post, October 30, 2002.
> * Ciencia y Tecnología limitará la obligación de los ISP de retener datos de tráfico de sus clientes, Vanguardia digital, October 30, 2002.
> * Spanish websites fight new e-commerce law. VNUnet, October 30, 2002.
> * Sites protest strict new Net law. CNN.com, October 28, 2002.
> * Spanish Net Law Sparks Protest. Wired News, October 25, 2002.
> * Web sites go blank to protest strict new Internet law, MSNBC.com, October 24, 2002.
> * Controversial Spanish Internet Law Holds Lessons for Europe, Gartner, October 18, 2002 (analysis).
> * Spain Takes Inquisition Online. USC Annenberg / Online Journalism Review, October 17, 2002.
> * Web sites blackout over Spanish monitoring law. The Register, October 14, 2002.
> * Entra en vigor la ley que regula el comercio en Internet. El País, October 13, 2002.
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> More news about the data retention aspects of the LSSI at EPIC's data retention Web page: news and resources on the implementation by Spain of data retention.
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> Regulations
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> * The LSSI (PDF) ("Law of Information Society Services and Electronic Commerce"): Official Journal (Boletín Oficial del Estado), July 12, 2002 (also available here). Erratum (PDF), Boletín Oficial del Estado, August 6, 2002.
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> * English translation of the LSSI (by Altavista's Babelfish Web page translation interface).
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> * LSSI bill (Proyecto de ley de servicios de la sociedad de la información y de comercio electrónico)
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>
> * Spanish Constitution, articles 18, 20, and 24.
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> International Conventions on Fundamental Rights protecting the freedom of speech, the right to privacy and data protection, the confidentiality of communications, the presumption of innocence and the right to anonymous speech:
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> * Articles 6, 8, 9 and 10 of the Council of Europe Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms (1950). Explanations/summary also available.
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> * Articles 7, 8, 10, 11 and 48 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. PDF documents available: [English] [français]
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> * Articles 11, 12, 18 and 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948): [English] [español]
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> LSSI's most controversial provisions
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> * 1. Data retention requirements of 1 year
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> Network operators and telecommunications network access providers offering information society services must retain customers' traffic data for a period of one year. Data is to be "stored automatically," to remain "confidential", and to be used only in cases where "it may become necessary to put it at the disposal of judicial or police authorities within the framework of a criminal investigation resulting from the commission of a crime involving information society services. Such data could include "the data necessary to locate the user's terminal equipment utilized to transmit information" (Article 12).
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> For the government to compel ISPs and telecommunications companies to retain all their customers' e-mails traffic information, telephone calls, mobile phone location data, Internet browsing, etc. (not including the contents of communications) for up to one year in a preventive and systematic manner, violates the presumption that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, may stifle freedom of speech, and constitutes a serious intrusion to the right to privacy and data protection protected by international human rights conventions. (More details.)
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> * 2. Identification and registration requirements may in some cases stifle web site publishers' right to free and anonymous speech
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> Providers of "information society services" (defined as the services normally provided at a cost, but not necessarily paid for by their addressees if they constitute an economic activity for their providers) have to notify their name or domain name in a commercial registry and publish contact information on their Web site. The law applies to all providers of information society services established in Spain or to the ones that offer their services through a permanent establishment located in Spain (Articles 2, 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10).
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> Providers of information that do not have other commercial endeavors than, e.g., putting banner ads on their web sites, could still fall within the scope of the LSSI, and be compelled, as a result, to register. To compel those providers to identify themselves to the government could stifle speech and encourage self-censorship, especially if those information providers have dissenting ideas and views that run against the government's interests. The Spanish law should therefore not be applied in a way that allows the government to use its registration requirement as a tool of indirect censorship.
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> Outline of the main provisions of the LSSI.
> Comments on the LSSI:
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> Civil Society
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> * Kriptopolis (Digital rights and Internet security web site)
> The LSSI "is a huge blow to freedom of expression in Spain." It constitutes the biggest attack against free speech on the Internet since the enactment of the American Communications Decency Act of 1996" (The U.S. Supreme Court struck the CDA in 1997 for violating the Constitution's First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech. The law regulates the Internet much more broadly than what the limited scope of the European directive allows: it regulates speech within the framework of an e-commerce law and treats information as merchandise. The effect of the regulation is to restrict more speech than necessary instead of only focusing on commercial activities, while the preventive and extensive data retention regime is in violation of the principles of confidentiality of communications and presumption of innocence. Kriptopolis fears that Web site owners will try to censor themselves from now on in order to avoid attracting government attention and heavy fines. "Some !
> of us among independent Web site publishers are definitely closing Weblogs, forums and mailing lists, in order to avoid being held responsible for other people's opinions. . . [t]he true purpose of this statute is to control Web contents and force editors to self-censure." (more comments)
>
> * Carlos Sánchez Almeida and Javier Maestre (Kriptopolis' lawyers), La LSSI del 8 de febrero.
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> * Spanish Internet Users Association (Asociación de Usuarios de Internet), La LSSI no se puede cumplir, según AUI, El País, October 17, 2002.
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> * Miguel Pérez Subías (President of the "Asociación de Usuarios de Internet"(Internet Users Association)), LSSI-CE: ¿La ley de Internet o Internet y la ley?
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> * Víctor Domingo (President of the "Asociación de Internautas" (Internauts Association), Proyecto de Ley de Comercio Electrónico; la ley del debate.
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> * Prof. Manuel Castells, La experiencia española de regulación de Internet.
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> * Computer Engineers Association, Una Ley, Siete Riesgos, February 2, 2002.
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> * Various organizations, digital rights activists, and online publications and communities have organized a resistance to the LSSI:
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> - Mienten.com
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> - Maky Press
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> - eListas.net
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> - Plataforma internauta
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> - Arturo Quirantes's home page
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> - Liberta en Red
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> - Libertad Digital
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> - Manje.net
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> - Hackmeeting
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> - Barcelona Independent Media Center
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> Spanish Government
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> * "La nueva Ley va a proporcionar una mayor seguridad jurídica y confianza a usuarios y prestadores de servicios, con el fin de promover la utilización de Internet y de otros servicios interactivos.
> El texto tiene como objetivo impulsar el desarrollo del comercio electrónico y el pleno aprovechamiento por parte de los ciudadanos y empresas de las ventajas de la Sociedad de la Información (...)."
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> "The new Law is going to provide greater legal certainty and trust for users and service providers, with the purpose of promoting the use of the Internet and other interactive services. The text's objective is to foster the development of electronic commerce and rally citizens and companies' support for the advantages of the Information Society (...)."
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> Spanish Ministry of Science and Technology, Explanations of the LSSI, October 2002.
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> "The government contends that the purpose of the new law is (...) to make the Internet a safer space to do business by subjecting online companies to the same tax and commerce laws as conventional corporations. It [also] feels that the protests are unnecessary and hasty as details on how the law will be applied are still being worked out."
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> New e-commerce law has prompted protest, Europemedia.net, October 29, 2002.
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> * Baudilio Tomé (Secretario de Estado de Telecomunicaciones y para la Sociedad de la Información . Minister of Telecommunications for the Information Society), LSSI: el marco legal horizontal que necesitamos para el desarrollo de la Sociedad de la Información
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> Spanish Data Protection Authority
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> * Juan Manuel Fernández López (Director de la Agencia de Protección de Datos), Notas sobre la LSSI.
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> Industry
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> * "Las empresas del sector consideran que las condiciones en las que, según la citada enmienda, debe realizarse la retención no evitan el grave peligro que estas actuaciones suponen para el secreto y la inviolabilidad de las communicaciones electrónicas, el derecho de intimidad de los usuarios, la protección de los datos personales, el principio de no supervision de los contenidos, etc., sin olvidar, que este tipo de disposiciones pueden ir en contra de la Convención Europea de Derechos Humanos. (.) [L]a obligación de retener todos los datos de tráfico durante un período de doce meses resulta excesiva y desproporcionada."
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> "The ISP industry considers that the conditions under which the retention of data must be made raise a risk for the secrecy and inviolability of electronic communications, the users' right to privacy, the right to data protection, the principle of no control on contents, etc., not to mention that this kind of data retention could violate the European Convention of Human Rights. (.) [T]he obligation to retain all traffic data during a period of 12 months is excessive and disproportionate."
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> Asociación Española de Proveedores de Servicios de Internet (Spanish ISP Association or AEPSI), AEPSI se pronuncia ante la enmienda a la LSSI sobre retención de datos, June 12, 2002 (PDF).
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> * Javier Valiente (Secretario General de la AEPSI), "¿Policías de Internet?: Los Proveedores de Servicios de Internet y la LSSI."
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> More opinions on the LSSI.
> Resources
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> * Spanish translation of this page (Thanks to "H".)
> * Altavista's Babelfish online translation interface can also provide rough translations of Spanish-only documents.
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  41. 2003-12-25 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] My thoughts on LinuxWorld & the future
  42. 2003-12-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Education Center and GNOME Sumit issues post-sumit
  43. 2003-12-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Big year for Linux in 2004?
  44. 2003-12-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My thoughts on LinuxWorld & the future
  45. 2003-12-24 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] My thoughts on LinuxWorld & the future
  46. 2003-12-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your business?'
  47. 2003-12-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  48. 2003-12-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  49. 2003-12-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your bu siness?'
  50. 2003-12-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your bu siness?'
  51. 2003-12-23 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your business?'
  52. 2003-12-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: NYTimes.com Article: Creator of Linux Defends Its Originality
  53. 2003-12-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  54. 2003-12-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: NYTimes.com Article: Creator of Linux Defends Its Originality
  55. 2003-12-23 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  56. 2003-12-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  57. 2003-12-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0
  58. 2003-12-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] test1
  59. 2003-12-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pics from the Gnome Conference
  60. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pipes signs with New York Sun [dplist-at-danielpipes.org]
  61. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting?
  62. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite TONIGHT!!
  63. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  64. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  65. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Chanukah and Merry XMas to ALL!!
  66. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  67. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  68. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  69. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  70. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  71. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  72. 2003-12-20 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Answering Internet Phone Service
  73. 2003-12-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Answering Internet Phone Service
  74. 2003-12-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] My new work address and phone number
  75. 2003-12-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  76. 2003-12-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  77. 2003-12-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  78. 2003-12-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  79. 2003-12-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone looking for me tomorrow
  80. 2003-12-17 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  81. 2003-12-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] I couldnt make the Monday night meeting.
  82. 2003-12-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  83. 2003-12-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  84. 2003-12-16 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  85. 2003-12-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Anyone Home
  86. 2003-12-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] God Bless America
  87. 2003-12-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone Home
  88. 2003-12-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] is any one comming to tech nite tonight
  89. 2003-12-13 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] is any one comming to tech nite tonight
  90. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] html-at-ssc.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - December 10
  91. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] United Online Launches Service for Linux-based LindowsOS Computer s Under its NetZero and Juno Brands
  92. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Few - The Proud: Hey it is a JOB!
  93. 2003-12-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft's New Toll Road (MUST READ STORY)
  94. 2003-12-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Board and General Meeting
  95. 2003-12-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Mailing list not working
  96. 2003-12-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] grepping
  97. 2003-12-11 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Has sar been deprecated?
  98. 2003-12-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Board and General Meeting
  99. 2003-12-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Must read for those interested in copyright issues
  100. 2003-12-10 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board and General Meeting
  101. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  102. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  103. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  104. 2003-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] IRS
  105. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] The RIAAs reign of terror is over
  106. 2003-12-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] The RIAAs reign of terror is over
  107. 2003-12-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] part 6 or 7 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  108. 2003-12-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part 6 or 7 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT
  109. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Part 5 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  110. 2003-12-06 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] part3 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  111. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Part 4 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  112. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part3 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  113. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part2 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  114. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  115. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] More on Spain's LSSI
  116. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Spain's LSSI: All websites must register
  117. 2003-12-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] [linux-elitists] Monday 15 Dec: first all-Open
  118. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [linux-elitists] Let's help Google get better results for SCO searches. [dmarti-at-zgp.org]

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