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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-12-06
FROM Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] part3 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Andy Green wrote:

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> On Friday 05 December 2003 06:03, Jon O. wrote:
>
> > Phil: Surely flash memory manufacturers can get around this by simply not
> > pre-formatting cards?
>
> Maybe, but the camera people will have to be able to format the cards with a
> filesystem. Its possible that the camera people could require the user to
> format their cards on their PC, this would be an inconvenience to the user
> caused solely by trying to avoid this IP tax.
>
> > Today, the FAT File system has become the ubiquitous format used for
> > interchange of media between computers, and, since the advent of
>
> In fact FAT is only common because of the Microsoft Windows OS monopoly - your
> storage devices needs to talk FAT if it is to readily interoperate with all
> versions of Windows. This licensing shakedown is just another way for MSFT
> to charge at the turnstiles for using Windows.
>
> > Microsoft offers a commercially reasonable, nonexclusive license so that
> > other companies can use the FAT file system in their own products.
>
> Linux includes FAT support, including the ability to format devices to FAT.
> (This is not Linux's preferred format though, which is called ext2 and ext3).
> I don't know whether the licenses not addressing that shows MSFT are not
> wanting to attack Linux, or leaving the door open for a patent-based attack -
> possibly a broadside of all the stupid stuff the USPO has let them get away
> with :-(
>
> - -Andy
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  1. 2003-12-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  2. 2003-12-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  3. 2003-12-02 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  4. 2003-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  5. 2003-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  6. 2003-12-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  7. 2003-12-02 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] IRS
  8. 2003-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Library Additions
  9. 2003-12-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IRS
  10. 2003-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] IRS
  11. 2003-12-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Pasha
  12. 2003-12-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] once again Pasha
  13. 2003-12-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] BRAND NEW B'KLYN
  14. 2003-12-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] linux usergroups in sao paulo, brazil?
  15. 2003-12-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce]
  16. 2003-12-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Changing Winds
  17. 2003-12-05 From: "michael howard" <mhoward-at-mailworks.org> Subject: [hangout] linux usergroups in sao paulo, brazil?
  18. 2003-12-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] Discontinued SuSE Linux Distributions]
  19. 2003-12-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Programmer with SOAP:Lite Experience (telecommute) (telecommute), United States, NJ, Atlantic City]
  20. 2003-12-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Senior Web Developer mod_perl SOAP (part onsite), United States, NJ, Egg Harbor Township
  21. 2003-12-06 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] part3 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  22. 2003-12-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyrights and Copywrongs
  23. 2003-12-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games FTP problems
  24. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Part 4 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  25. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Part 5 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  26. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part2 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  27. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part3 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  28. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  29. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] More on Spain's LSSI
  30. 2003-12-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Spain's LSSI: All websites must register
  31. 2003-12-07 Bill Putney <bputney-at-effective-tech.com> Re: [hangout] Kings Games FTP problems
  32. 2003-12-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Broadcast Media wants to kill internet
  33. 2003-12-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] part 6 or 7 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT
  34. 2003-12-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] part 6 or 7 Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Microsoft to start charging for FAT format
  35. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  36. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  37. 2003-12-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Workshop: An introduction to vim, Friday 12/12 -at- 6:15pm
  38. 2003-12-10 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board and General Meeting
  39. 2003-12-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Must read for those interested in copyright issues
  40. 2003-12-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] grepping
  41. 2003-12-11 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Has sar been deprecated?
  42. 2003-12-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Board and General Meeting
  43. 2003-12-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Mailing list not working
  44. 2003-12-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] [linux-elitists] Monday 15 Dec: first all-Open
  45. 2003-12-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft's New Toll Road (MUST READ STORY)
  46. 2003-12-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Board and General Meeting
  47. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] html-at-ssc.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - December 10
  48. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Few - The Proud: Hey it is a JOB!
  49. 2003-12-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] United Online Launches Service for Linux-based LindowsOS Computer s Under its NetZero and Juno Brands
  50. 2003-12-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] is any one comming to tech nite tonight
  51. 2003-12-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone Home
  52. 2003-12-13 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] is any one comming to tech nite tonight
  53. 2003-12-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] God Bless America
  54. 2003-12-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Anyone Home
  55. 2003-12-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  56. 2003-12-16 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  57. 2003-12-17 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  58. 2003-12-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  59. 2003-12-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] I couldnt make the Monday night meeting.
  60. 2003-12-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  61. 2003-12-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  62. 2003-12-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone looking for me tomorrow
  63. 2003-12-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  64. 2003-12-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  65. 2003-12-20 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Answering Internet Phone Service
  66. 2003-12-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Answering Internet Phone Service
  67. 2003-12-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] My new work address and phone number
  68. 2003-12-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] The RIAAs reign of terror is over
  69. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  70. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  71. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  72. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  73. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  74. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  75. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  76. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  77. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting?
  78. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] The RIAAs reign of terror is over
  79. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [linux-elitists] Let's help Google get better results for SCO searches. [dmarti-at-zgp.org]
  80. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Chanukah and Merry XMas to ALL!!
  81. 2003-12-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pics from the Gnome Conference
  82. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pipes signs with New York Sun [dplist-at-danielpipes.org]
  83. 2003-12-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite TONIGHT!!
  84. 2003-12-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  85. 2003-12-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0
  86. 2003-12-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] test1
  87. 2003-12-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your bu siness?'
  88. 2003-12-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your bu siness?'
  89. 2003-12-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your business?'
  90. 2003-12-23 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft asks Linux users, "How can we get your business?'
  91. 2003-12-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  92. 2003-12-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  93. 2003-12-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  94. 2003-12-23 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together
  95. 2003-12-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: NYTimes.com Article: Creator of Linux Defends Its Originality
  96. 2003-12-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: NYTimes.com Article: Creator of Linux Defends Its Originality
  97. 2003-12-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My thoughts on LinuxWorld & the future
  98. 2003-12-24 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] My thoughts on LinuxWorld & the future
  99. 2003-12-25 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] My thoughts on LinuxWorld & the future
  100. 2003-12-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Big year for Linux in 2004?
  101. 2003-12-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Heat off the RIAA
  102. 2003-12-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Education Center and GNOME Sumit issues post-sumit
  103. 2003-12-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Printer problem.
  104. 2003-12-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] My thoughts on LinuxWorld & the future
  105. 2003-12-26 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Light-hearted News of the Season - Only outside of New York
  106. 2003-12-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Education Center and GNOME Sumit issues post-sumit
  107. 2003-12-26 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together - Mon Dec 29, 200 3 6:15pm
  108. 2003-12-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together - Mon Dec 29, 2003 6:15pm
  109. 2003-12-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Holiday Season Get Together - Mon Dec 29, 200 3 6:15pm
  110. 2003-12-28 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Tonight
  111. 2003-12-28 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Tonight
  112. 2003-12-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft
  113. 2003-12-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft
  114. 2003-12-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Tonight
  115. 2003-12-30 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone want to come out for New Years tomorrow?
  116. 2003-12-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl/Unix Software Developer for Web Hosting and Software company (onsite), United States, NJ, Upper Montclair [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  117. 2003-12-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Israel eschews MS
  118. 2003-12-31 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New York Partnership (fwd)

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