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MESSAGE
DATE 2007-04-16
FROM David Sugar
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad news for VoIP
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Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad news for VoIP
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I am naturally deeply concerned with this issue. It is a perfect
example of misuse of both the patent and legal system, and a poster
child for why software and business method patents should not be
allowed, period. Of course, it also effects an area I work in, although
it is certainly not the first nor will it be last patent issue facing
independent voip development and free software.

Ron Guerin wrote:

> Ruben Safir wrote:
> > Vonage CEO quits; firm will cut jobs, costs The company, whose survival
> > is threatened by a patent case, seeks a path to profitability. By James
> > S. Granelli, Times Staff Writer April 13, 2007
>
> Two things come to mind. First, the Verizon patents are invalid,
> despite the ruling in this case. I don't know how Vonage managed not to
> get them overturned since those with some expertise in the matter say
> the patents should never have been awarded in the first place.
>
> Second, I hear nothing but "Vonage sucks" from those who've done
> business with them. They can cut costs all they want, but that's not
> one the problems they're actually having[1], so it's not going to help
> anything.
>
> - Ron
>
> [1] They're losing money, but it's the _least_ of their problems.

  1. 2007-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad news for VoIP
  2. 2007-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad news for VoIP
  3. 2007-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRMs last day - dont bet on it
  4. 2007-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  5. 2007-04-14 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  6. 2007-04-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Yo Ho - time for a meeting
  7. 2007-04-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  8. 2007-04-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad news for VoIP
  9. 2007-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad news for VoIP
  10. 2007-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  11. 2007-04-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad news for VoIP
  12. 2007-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FCC Broadband spectrum up for sale
  13. 2007-04-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Death of Web Radio
  14. 2007-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] AT&T history
  15. 2007-04-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  16. 2007-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  17. 2007-04-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  18. 2007-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Break In attempts on ssh
  19. 2007-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  20. 2007-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  21. 2007-04-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  22. 2007-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  23. 2007-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Break In attempts on ssh
  24. 2007-04-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  25. 2007-04-20 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Break In attempts on ssh
  26. 2007-04-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Break In attempts on ssh
  27. 2007-04-20 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Break In attempts on ssh
  28. 2007-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting Thursday at the Killarny Rose
  29. 2007-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Imus Campaign
  30. 2007-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting Thursday at the Killarny
  31. 2007-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM Free MP3s - Forbes
  32. 2007-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Next Level of Hacking - IRobots
  33. 2007-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hacking a Robot
  34. 2007-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting Thursday at the Killarny
  35. 2007-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Adobe's new Free Software Platform
  36. 2007-04-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting Thursday at the Killarny
  37. 2007-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting Thursday at the Killarny
  38. 2007-04-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting Thursday at the Killarny
  39. 2007-04-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting - Wednesday
  40. 2007-04-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting - Wednesday
  41. 2007-04-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting - Wednesday
  42. 2007-04-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting - Wednesday
  43. 2007-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Passover Meals
  44. 2007-04-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sound Analysis and CPU power
  45. 2007-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ron-at-vnetworx.net: [nylug-talk] Google speaker series(4/5): Luiz Barroso, Watts, Faults, and Other Fascinating Dirty Words Computer Architects Can No Longer Afford to Ignore]
  46. 2007-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [chris.travers-at-gmail.com: Saw your older SQL-Ledger posts]
  47. 2007-04-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [linuxworldexpo-at-idg.com: .org Pavilion Call for Papers Now Open]
  48. 2007-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] vote for the 10.3's slogan
  49. 2007-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] vote for the 10.3's slogan
  50. 2007-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] vote for the 10.3's slogan

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