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<-- prev | next --> OSI, GAP, and "Exhibit B" licences

By Rick Moen

Years ago, at the very beginning of the dot-com era, I attended a series
of workshops, hosted by OpenSales, Inc., on open-source licensing
issues. Discussions were wide-ranging, but covered all of the major
software-licensing issues that have hit Linux and open source over the
past decade: licence combinatorics, the threat of software patents,
trademark encumbrances, court challenges on various copyright grounds,
the implications of future Digital Restrictions Management (DRM)
measures in the hands of Hollywood and the recorded music cartels,
and the much-discussed "ASP loophole".

The last of these was a new way firms can (from one point of view)
subvert the intent of "copyleft" licences -- those that require people
distributing modified versions and offshoots ("derivative works") to
make their source code available: Application Service Providers (ASPs)
run their applications behind closed doors, i.e., never distribute them,
instead letting remote customers reach those applications remotely
across the Internet. In that usage model, the ASP can fully exploit
other people's copylefted code without needing to make their changes
available to others. (Essentially, copylefted code's authors assumed
that anyone would have to distribute their derivative works, to make
use of the borrowed code, but this turns out not to be true.)

Years passed, and for a long time the ASP model had only very limited
success. The "network computer", which has no independent local computing
power of its own and just images remotely running apps, came and went,
victim of performance and network-bandwidth problems and the relative low
price of conventional PCs. (Sun Microsystems is still trying to sell the
idea, as the SunRay product line.) Hosted Web applications were always
said to be just around the corner, but never got anywhere until recently,
with the rise of AJAX Web apps, a Javascript-based form of dynamic HTML
that has made possible a large number of hosted "Web 2.0" services, and
(mostly) aspiring young companies backing them.

You'll note that almost all of those -- Google Maps, GMail, Yahoo
Mail, Google Calendar, YouTube, and so on -- all keep their program
code entirely proprietary, although it's highly likely that they're
building it on other people's open source (and probably, in many cases,
copyleft) code.

A number of Web 2.0 firms, however, don't wish to cut loose from their
open source roots, and (commendably) wish to have their offerings
qualify as open source, but at the same time want to give themselves a
business advantage over any commercial competitors reusing their published
source code on competing sites. A couple of years ago, they found their
chosen tool: An "Exhibit B"-clause modification to the Mozilla Public
License v. 1.1 (penned originally by the SugarCRM company, then copied
by an increasing number of others) -- dubbed by critic Bruce Perens a
"badgeware" clause and by its proponents an "attribution" provision,
requires any reuse or derivative work to sport the original sponsoring
company's advertising logo on every single user interface screen. That
was a couple of years ago.

One problem: SugarCRM and its imitators have been going around in public
claiming to be open source, and in most cases strongly implying (or in
some cases directly claiming) to be using a licence approved as open
source by the Open Source Initiative (OSI), even though their licences
fail a couple of the criteria that make a licence open source. Morever,
they've been carefully avoiding submitting their modified-MPL licence to
OSI's licence-approval process. Aware of the potential for disastrous
PR (from claiming to be open source when a firm really isn't), Web 2.0
company Socialtext employee Mitch Radcliffe wrote a somewhat more modest
"Exhibit B" clause called the Generic Attribution Provision ("GAP"),
and submitted it as a memo to the Open Source Initiative on November
13, 2006, asking that the OSI Board approve it as an addendum to "any
[OSI-approved] 'modifiable' licence" as being compliant with the Open
Source Definition. In doing so, Socialtext represents the interests of
its own Web 2.0 hosted application under its own badgeware licence, and
also by extension those of several other Web 2.0 businesses, all with
"Exhibit B" licences: SugarCRM, Zimbra, Alfresco, Qlusters / OpenQRM,
and Jitterbit.

So have (leaving aside newcomer Intalio) about a baker's dozen of other
"Web 2.0" businesses seemingly not associated with the GAP initiative:
Scalix, Terracotta, Cognizo Technologies / CATS, MuleSource, Communiva
/ Dimdim, Agnitas / OpenEMM, Openbravo, Emu Software / NetDirector,
ValueCard / TenderSystem, Open Country / OCM Webmin Plus, 1BizCom,
KnowledgeTree, and Sapienter Billing Software / Jbilling. The last
of these, eyebrow-raisingly, is currently using the OSI Certified
licence-certification program logo alongside its modified-MPL licence,
a fact I've brought to the OSI Board's attention, on strong suspicion
that corrective action is needed. [Late addendum: Just before press time,
after receiving a complaint, Sapienter removed its unauthorised use of
OSI's logo, but not its distortive claim to be using MPL 1.1, and to be
open source.]

All of those firms are aware of having a potential perception problem,
and have had private talks with OSI but have notably not submitted their
licences for certification -- creating a situation where other firms
have started to copy their arrangements without apparently being aware
of the controversy.

That brings us to the present, with newcomer Intalio's press release
(quoted by Linux Gazette author Howard Dyckoff in this issue's News
Bytes column, claiming to be "open source" because they're in the
middle of converting their Web 2.0 hosted Web application to MPL + GAP
licensing. I began researching this article, which began as a footnote
to Howard's news item, because the press release didn't seem right,
and the further I looked, the more problems I saw.

By the way, I mean no disrespect towards Web 2.0 companies
generally. In fact, Andrew C. Oliver of Buni.org has,
to the great credit of himself and his firm, spoken
eloquently against Socialtext et alii's GAP initiative, as
clearly contrary to core notions of open source. (Oliver
predicts that OSI will approve GAP or some similar
mandatory-advertising proposal. I sincerely hope he is
mistaken.) (As an aside, ZDnet columnist David Berlind
has also written eloquently about the ethical questions
surrounding "Exhibit B" firms, and the need to curb
or at least resolve their misleading claims that their
offerings are open source, when they are very much not.)

Socialtext's GAP clause is as follows:

Redistributions of the original code in binary form
or source code form, must ensure that each time the
resulting executable program, a display of the same
size as found in the original code released by the
original licensor (e.g., splash screen or banner text)
of the original licensor's attribution information,
which includes:

(a) Company Name
(b) Logo (if any) and
(c) URL

Yr. humble servant and others on the
OSI's license-discuss mailing list found
a couple of obstacles, one large and
one small, with that proposal:

OSD #10 ("License Must Be
Technology-Neutral") is the larger
obstacle: "No provision of the license may
be predicated on any individual technology
or style of interface." GAP appears from
its wording to permit creation only of
derivative works having user interfaces,
i.e., it prohibits reuse of covered code
for daemons. Some online comments from
some of the affected firms (though not
necessarily Socialtext) indicate that
this is the purport of that clause,
and is a deliberate effect.

The lesser obstacle is that the OSI
Certified approval process vets licences
as OSD-compliant -- and Socialtext
didn't actually submit one: As worded,
Radcliffe's memo seems to say "Please
examine all 58 OSI-approved licences
to see which of them permit textual
modifications, and then consider us to
have asked approval for each of those that
do, each one with our clause appended."

That procedural gaffe is not necessarily
fatal to the merits of Socialtext's
proposal per se, but does make it severely
out of order as a licence proposal.

I should hasten to add that, as serious
as GAP's problems are, all of the firms'
in-use other badgeware clauses -- all
but one listed on the same page as GAP
-- have worse ones: Zimbra, Qlusters,
SugarCRM, Socialtext itself, Alfresco,
Jitterbit, Scalix, Terracotta, Coznito
Technologies, MuleSource, Communiva,
Agnitas, Openbravo, Emu Software,
ValueCard, Open Country, 1BizCom,
KnowledgeTree, and Sapienter Billing
Software all require their company logos
to appear on "each user interface screen"
of derivative works, not just on some
"splash screen or banner text". Further,
each of those licences dictates an
exact location and size where that logo
much appear on "each user interface
screen". Some of those requirements,
rather comically for a would-be open
source licence, make it physically
impossible to comply if you have combined
two codebases under the same licence:
e.g., SugarCRM, Terracotta, MuleSource,
1BizCom, Sapienter Billing Software, and
Socialtext specify "the very bottom center
of each user interface screen", which
obviously cannot be true of two logos
at once. Moreover, through code reuse,
derivative works risk starting to look
like Nicholas Goodman's nightmare vision
of "Exhibit B" logo requirements run amok.

In no way do I speak for Open Source Initiative, but I'd be extremely
surprised if any of those licences as presently constituted, or the
Generic Attribution Provision (as patched onto some subset of 58 extant
licences) were ever approved by the OSI Board. Meanwhile, all 20 of the
firms cited continue to claim in public to publish open source software
despite having never submitted their licences to OSI for certification
and the doubtfulness of their claim on its face.

(SugarCRM CEO John Roberts ignored my question of why, if his firm's
licence is open source, the SPL FAQ claims its unlawful to sell works
derived from it. Matt Asay, VP of Business Development for Alfresco --
and an OSI Board Member! -- similarly ignored my question of whether
Alfresco would kindly suspend claims of being "open source" until its
licence is evaluated, or at least commit to remove that claim if its
application is declined.)

Socialtext even claimed last July that its wiki software, "Socialtext
Open", was available under MPL v. 1.1, when in fact that is simply
not the case. [Late addendum: Socialtext retroactively corrected that
published claim just before press time, the second time I mentioned it
on the OSI license-discuss mailing list.]

There may be a good-faith effort at dealing reasonably with the open
source community somewhere in there, but it's late in coming and there's
been recently not quite as much candour as one might hope. I would caution
firms like Intalio from assuming they've truly gone open source, solely
on account of Radcliffe's "submission" of GAP to OSI's Board, and never,
ever trust that a licence is genuinely open source just because some
Web 2.0 firm claims it is.

Talkback: Discuss this article with The Answer Gang

Bio picture Rick has run freely-redistributable Unixen since 1992, having
been roped in by first 386BSD, then Linux. Having found that either one
sucked less, he blew away his last non-Unix box (OS/2 Warp) in 1996. He
specialises in clue acquisition and delivery (documentation & training),
system administration, security, WAN/LAN design and administration,
and support. He helped plan the LINC Expo (which evolved into the first
LinuxWorld Conference and Expo, in San Jose), Windows Refund Day, and
several other rabble-rousing Linux community events in the San Francisco
Bay Area. He's written and edited for IDG/LinuxWorld, SSC, and the USENIX
Association; and spoken at LinuxWorld Conference and Expo and numerous
user groups.

His first computer was his dad's slide rule, followed by visitor access
to a card-walloping IBM mainframe at Stanford (1969). A glutton for
punishment, he then moved on (during high school, 1970s) to early HP
timeshared systems, People's Computer Company's PDP8s, and various of
those they'll-never-fly-Orville microcomputers at the storied Homebrew
Computer Club -- then more Big Blue computing horrors at college
alleviated by bits of primeval BSD during UC Berkeley summer sessions,
and so on. He's thus better qualified than most, to know just how much
better off we are now.

When not playing Silicon Valley dot-com roulette, he enjoys long-distance
bicycling, helping run science fiction conventions, and concentrating
on becoming an uncarved block.

Copyright © 2007, Rick Moen. Released under the Open Publication license
unless otherwise noted in the body of the article. Linux Gazette is not
produced, sponsored, or endorsed by its prior host, SSC, Inc.

Published in Issue 134 of Linux Gazette, January 2007

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  39. 2007-02-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [hang.pan-at-scilliant.com: RE: [501 Tech Club NY] Re: CMS-based web hosting solution]
  40. 2007-02-09 mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Look what I just found on iWon.com!
  41. 2007-02-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: City Council Calendar for Monday, February 12th, 2007 - Sunday, February 18th, 2007]
  42. 2007-02-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  43. 2007-02-09 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  44. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [johnmark-at-johnmark.org: Re: [nylug-talk] Ubucon, how do I register?]
  45. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [joly-at-dti.net: [Discuss] Ubuntu Live 2007]
  46. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [johnmark-at-johnmark.org: Re: [nylug-talk] Welcome to The UbuCon - New York City - February 16, 2007]
  47. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [johnmark-at-johnmark.org: [nylug-talk] Welcome to The UbuCon - New York City - February 16, 2007]
  48. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  49. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Weizel attacked in SF by Holocaust Deniers
  50. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] VIM Substitions and \n
  51. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] VIM Substitions and \n
  52. 2007-02-10 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  53. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  54. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Crossfire And Player Scripting
  55. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dplist-at-danielpipes.org: #751 Invitation to Daniel Pipes testimony to the US House on Feb. 14]
  56. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Crossfire And Player Scripting
  57. 2007-02-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [phantom21-at-mindspring.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FRIDAY -- NOT Sunday Installfest at Google]
  58. 2007-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [kGen] Steve Jobs on DRM for Music...
  59. 2007-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  60. 2007-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday February 4 and Meeting Results
  61. 2007-02-12 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  62. 2007-02-12 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  63. 2007-02-12 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  64. 2007-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  65. 2007-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  66. 2007-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  67. 2007-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nriinnj-at-yahoo.com: PT Linux help]
  68. 2007-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: PT Linux help
  69. 2007-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Installfest at Google
  70. 2007-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [chief-at-freesoftwaremagazine.com: FSM newsletter: FSM Newsletter 12th of February 2007]
  71. 2007-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular Science and Nokia]]
  72. 2007-02-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular
  73. 2007-02-13 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular Science and Nokia]]
  74. 2007-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular Science and Nokia]]
  75. 2007-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular Science and Nokia]]
  76. 2007-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [president-at-isoc-ny.org: [Discuss] ISOC-NY Annual Membership Meeting]
  77. 2007-02-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  78. 2007-02-15 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Road trip
  79. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  80. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Road trip
  81. 2007-02-15 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce]
  82. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  83. 2007-02-15 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Road trip
  84. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Road trip
  85. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ubucon Conference and Installfest
  86. 2007-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nayel-at-shafei.com: MediaWiki programmer?]
  87. 2007-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: City Council Calendar for Monday, February 19, 2007 - Sunday, February 25, 2007]
  88. 2007-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (February 16, 2007).]
  89. 2007-02-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid
  90. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: PT Linux help
  91. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  92. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  93. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  94. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: PT Linux help
  95. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  96. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid
  97. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Conference in Lake Placid
  98. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Conference in Lake Placid
  99. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  100. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday February 4 and Meeting Results
  101. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] VirtualDocumentRoot and PHP
  102. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something worth sharing
  103. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something worth sharing
  104. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  105. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  106. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  107. 2007-02-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  108. 2007-02-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  109. 2007-02-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  110. 2007-02-19 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  111. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  112. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [TheUbuCon] Ubucon Conference and Installfest
  113. 2007-02-19 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  114. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Power of the Source and Package Management
  115. 2007-02-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Power of the Source and Package Management
  116. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Power of the Source and Package Management
  117. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  118. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meet Tonight about Next weekends trip?
  119. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  120. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meet Tonight about Next weekends trip?
  121. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Kgagnon-at-cgcareers.org: [501 Tech Club NY] Job Opening - Online Communications Associate for American Jewish World Service]
  122. 2007-02-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meet Tonight about Next weekends trip?
  123. 2007-02-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  124. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meet Tonight about Next weekends trip?
  125. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  126. 2007-02-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [FCNYC] DELL POWEREDGE 1300 PIII 700mhz,512m RAM, Adaptec
  127. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [FCNYC] DELL POWEREDGE 1300 PIII 700mhz,512m RAM, Adaptec ATA RAID + on-board SCSI]
  128. 2007-02-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [FCNYC] DELL POWEREDGE 1300 PIII
  129. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [FCNYC] DELL POWEREDGE 1300 PIII 700mhz,512m RAM, Adaptec ATA RAID + on-board SCSI]
  130. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wednesday Meeting on Freedom-IT
  131. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  132. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Jobs
  133. 2007-02-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wednesday Meeting on Freedom-IT
  134. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-linuxjournal.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - February 21]
  135. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT and Lake Placid
  136. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT and Lake Placid
  137. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  138. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Original idea
  139. 2007-02-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Van
  140. 2007-02-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-mysql.com: MySQL Newsletter: February 2007]
  141. 2007-02-23 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] update on van
  142. 2007-02-23 Schmuel-Leib Eliezar Safir <bear-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] update on van
  143. 2007-02-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] update on van
  144. 2007-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: City Council Calendar for Monday, February 26, 2007 - Sunday, March 4, 2007]
  145. 2007-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [auto_agent-at-jobcircle.com: JobCircle Weekly Summary of New Jobs]
  146. 2007-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Editorial Material
  147. 2007-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Acronis Would Like to Sponsor Your UserGroup Meeting
  148. 2007-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] update on van
  149. 2007-02-28 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] number
  150. 2007-02-28 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Acronis Would Like to Sponsor Your UserGroup Meeting
  151. 2007-02-28 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BusinessWeek.com: Customers to Dell: Give Us Linux!
  152. 2007-02-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BusinessWeek.com: Customers to Dell: Give Us
  153. 2007-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rmills-at-searchedp.com: Perl Script Developer - Jersey City, NJ]
  154. 2007-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Job Recruiters
  155. 2007-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BusinessWeek.com: Customers to Dell: Give Us Linux!
  156. 2007-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Acronis Would Like to Sponsor Your UserGroup Meeting

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