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DATE 2007-02-14
FROM einker
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Now it seems News content can be copyrighted ......


Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
A court ruled that Google violated the law by publishing copyrighted
content without permission on Google News and ordered the infringing
articles, pictures, and links removed.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197005871

By *Thomas Claburn*
InformationWeek


Feb 13, 2007 04:00 PM

A court in Belgium ruled Tuesday that Google violated the law by publishing
copyrighted content without permission on
GoogleNews
and ordered the infringing articles, pictures, and links removed.

Google expressed disappointment with the judgment and promised to appeal.

"We believe that Google News is entirely legal," a
company spokesperson says. "We only ever show the headlines and a few
snippets of text and small thumbnail images. If people want to read the
entire story they have to click through to the newspaper's Web site. Search
tools such as Google Web
Searchand
Google News are of real benefit to publishers because they drive
valuable traffic to their Web sites and connect them to a wider global
audience."

Google may have a point: According to
statisticsprovided
by Amazon's
Alexa.com, *Le Soir* and *La Derniere Heure* -- two of the Belgian papers
represented by Copiepresse, the group of 18 French- and German-language
publications that brought the suit early in 2006 -- show a slight decline in
traffic over the past year.

It's not clear, however, whether the drop in traffic is coincidental or is
the result of efforts by Google to remove the disputed content and make it
unavailable to searchers.

Copiepresse told *Le
Soir*that
it expected the ruling would have significant international impact
because the Belgian legislation in question corresponds to broader European
rights. Google could thus face similar claims in other E.U. countries.
Copiepresse already has indicated that it might pursue similar cases against
Microsoft and Yahoo.

The decision represents a setback for Google and its ambitions to expand
information access. "I think it's a serious wake-up call to Google that says
you've got a very aggressive approach to copyright," says Lee Carl Bromberg,
co-founder of Bromberg & Sunstein, a law firm specializing in intellectual
property issues. "This is a significant ruling against them saying not only
have you gone too far, but it's going to cost you."

The ruling will cost Google, though less than the initial proposed penalty
of 1 million ($1.3 million) per day. The court reduced a retroactive daily
fine imposed for noncompliance last September to 25,000 ($32,470) per day.
Google says it complied with the order that same month, but Copiepresse
claims infringing material was still available through Google three weeks
ago. Bernard Magrez, a lawyer for Copiepresse, estimates that Google is
currently liable for 3 million ($3.9 million), down from 130 million
($168.84 million), according to *Le Soir*.

More broadly, the ruling may send the message to other potential
litigantsthat
Google's dominance online doesn't carry over into court. Even though
the decision in Belgium isn't binding in the United States, Bromberg says,
"I wouldn't be surprised to see people fighting Google elsewhere cite the
decision in their legal briefs."

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Now it seems News content can be copyrighted ...... 



Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium







A court ruled that Google violated the law by publishing copyrighted
content without permission on Google News and ordered the infringing
articles, pictures, and links removed.



http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197005871


























A court in Belgium ruled Tuesday that Google violated the law by publishing copyrighted content without permission on Google
News and ordered the infringing articles, pictures, and links removed.


Google expressed disappointment with the judgment and promised to appeal.


"We believe that Google News
is entirely legal," a company spokesperson says. "We only ever show the
headlines and a few snippets of text and small thumbnail images. If
people want to read the entire story they have to click through to the
newspaper's Web site. Search tools such as Google Web Search
and Google News are of real benefit to publishers because they drive
valuable traffic to their Web sites and connect them to a wider global
audience."


Google may have a point: According to statistics provided by Amazon's Alexa.com
, Le Soir and La Derniere Heure
-- two of the Belgian papers represented by Copiepresse, the group of
18 French- and German-language publications that brought the suit early
in 2006 -- show a slight decline in traffic over the past year.


It's not clear, however, whether the drop in traffic is coincidental or
is the result of efforts by Google to remove the disputed content and
make it unavailable to searchers.


Copiepresse told Le Soir
that it expected the ruling would have significant international impact
because the Belgian legislation in question corresponds to broader
European rights. Google could thus face similar claims in other E.U.
countries. Copiepresse already has indicated that it might pursue
similar cases against Microsoft and Yahoo.


The decision represents a setback for Google and its ambitions to
expand information access. "I think it's a serious wake-up call to
Google that says you've got a very aggressive approach to copyright,"
says Lee Carl Bromberg, co-founder of Bromberg & Sunstein, a law
firm specializing in intellectual property issues. "This is a
significant ruling against them saying not only have you gone too far,
but it's going to cost you."

The ruling will cost Google, though less than the initial
proposed penalty of 1 million ($1.3 million) per day. The court reduced
a retroactive daily fine imposed for noncompliance last September to
25,000 ($32,470) per day. Google says it complied with the order that
same month, but Copiepresse claims infringing material was still
available through Google three weeks ago. Bernard Magrez, a lawyer for
Copiepresse, estimates that Google is currently liable for 3 million
($3.9 million), down from 130 million ($168.84 million), according to Le Soir.


More broadly, the ruling may send the message to other potential litigants
that Google's dominance online doesn't carry over into court. Even
though the decision in Belgium isn't binding in the United States,
Bromberg says, "I wouldn't be surprised to see people fighting Google
elsewhere cite the decision in their legal briefs."



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  72. 2007-02-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular
  73. 2007-02-13 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular Science and Nokia]]
  74. 2007-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular Science and Nokia]]
  75. 2007-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [Fwd: Popular Science and Nokia]]
  76. 2007-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [president-at-isoc-ny.org: [Discuss] ISOC-NY Annual Membership Meeting]
  77. 2007-02-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  78. 2007-02-15 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Road trip
  79. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  80. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Road trip
  81. 2007-02-15 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce]
  82. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  83. 2007-02-15 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Road trip
  84. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Road trip
  85. 2007-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ubucon Conference and Installfest
  86. 2007-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nayel-at-shafei.com: MediaWiki programmer?]
  87. 2007-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: City Council Calendar for Monday, February 19, 2007 - Sunday, February 25, 2007]
  88. 2007-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (February 16, 2007).]
  89. 2007-02-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid
  90. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: PT Linux help
  91. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  92. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  93. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  94. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: PT Linux help
  95. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  96. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid
  97. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Conference in Lake Placid
  98. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Conference in Lake Placid
  99. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  100. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday February 4 and Meeting Results
  101. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] VirtualDocumentRoot and PHP
  102. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something worth sharing
  103. 2007-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something worth sharing
  104. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  105. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  106. 2007-02-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Loses Copyright Case In Belgium
  107. 2007-02-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  108. 2007-02-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  109. 2007-02-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnu.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  110. 2007-02-19 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  111. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  112. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [TheUbuCon] Ubucon Conference and Installfest
  113. 2007-02-19 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  114. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Power of the Source and Package Management
  115. 2007-02-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Power of the Source and Package Management
  116. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Power of the Source and Package Management
  117. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  118. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meet Tonight about Next weekends trip?
  119. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  120. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meet Tonight about Next weekends trip?
  121. 2007-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Kgagnon-at-cgcareers.org: [501 Tech Club NY] Job Opening - Online Communications Associate for American Jewish World Service]
  122. 2007-02-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meet Tonight about Next weekends trip?
  123. 2007-02-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  124. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meet Tonight about Next weekends trip?
  125. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Van rental
  126. 2007-02-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [FCNYC] DELL POWEREDGE 1300 PIII 700mhz,512m RAM, Adaptec
  127. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [FCNYC] DELL POWEREDGE 1300 PIII 700mhz,512m RAM, Adaptec ATA RAID + on-board SCSI]
  128. 2007-02-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [FCNYC] DELL POWEREDGE 1300 PIII
  129. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [FCNYC] DELL POWEREDGE 1300 PIII 700mhz,512m RAM, Adaptec ATA RAID + on-board SCSI]
  130. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wednesday Meeting on Freedom-IT
  131. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  132. 2007-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Jobs
  133. 2007-02-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wednesday Meeting on Freedom-IT
  134. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-linuxjournal.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - February 21]
  135. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT and Lake Placid
  136. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT and Lake Placid
  137. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  138. 2007-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT Original idea
  139. 2007-02-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Van
  140. 2007-02-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-mysql.com: MySQL Newsletter: February 2007]
  141. 2007-02-23 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] update on van
  142. 2007-02-23 Schmuel-Leib Eliezar Safir <bear-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] update on van
  143. 2007-02-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] update on van
  144. 2007-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: City Council Calendar for Monday, February 26, 2007 - Sunday, March 4, 2007]
  145. 2007-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [auto_agent-at-jobcircle.com: JobCircle Weekly Summary of New Jobs]
  146. 2007-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Editorial Material
  147. 2007-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Acronis Would Like to Sponsor Your UserGroup Meeting
  148. 2007-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] update on van
  149. 2007-02-28 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] number
  150. 2007-02-28 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Acronis Would Like to Sponsor Your UserGroup Meeting
  151. 2007-02-28 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BusinessWeek.com: Customers to Dell: Give Us Linux!
  152. 2007-02-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BusinessWeek.com: Customers to Dell: Give Us
  153. 2007-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rmills-at-searchedp.com: Perl Script Developer - Jersey City, NJ]
  154. 2007-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Job Recruiters
  155. 2007-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BusinessWeek.com: Customers to Dell: Give Us Linux!
  156. 2007-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Acronis Would Like to Sponsor Your UserGroup Meeting

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