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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-09-13
FROM From: "Steve Milo"
SUBJECT RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
From owner-hangout-destenys-at-mrbrklyn.com Mon Sep 13 18:55:07 2004
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Like I said, GNU/Linux has been riding on the coat tails of its own
popularity long enough. Its time to push this thing.

Both Novell and RedHat are stinking this whole thing up, the former with
'both-source' and the latter with 'its not ready for the desktop'.

Open-Source is not a gimmick or a marketing ploy, it can potentially be a
powerful business model. There has to be a GNU/Linux corporation that is
not afraid to blaze its own trail and take leadership in the market place.
Right now all these company's are simply afraid of setting a new and higher
standard. They simply lack the business intestinal fortitude, its that
simple.

Steve M


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:23:14 +0100, Inker, Evan wrote
> Hey, it ain't me! I just forwarded the story
>
> Regards,
>
> Evan M. Inker (New York) x. 4615
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Kosmin [mailto:akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:34 PM
> To: Inker, Evan
> Cc: hangout-at-nylxs.com
> Subject: Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
>
> I knew I smelled a rat.
>
> Adam
>
> "
> " Novell sees a 'both-source' future
> "
> " By Andrew Donoghue
> " Special to CNET News.com
> " http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5363243.html
> "
> " Story last modified September 13, 2004, 7:51 AM PDT
> "
> " BARCELONA, Spain--Novell asserts that the future of software
> development " will not be found in the open-source or proprietary
> models, but in one that " combines the best of both worlds--or "both
> source" as the company calls it. " Novell CEO Jack Messman, speaking
> Monday to customers and partners at the " company's annual
> BrainShare Europe conference here, detailed the company's " efforts
> to weave a difficult path between the conflicting agendas of the "
> open-source and proprietary worlds. " " Messman asserts that the
> opposing software development camps must learn to " coexist in a
> symbiotic relationship. "The future is going to be 'both " source'-
> -not open and not proprietary. The industry needs the profits from "
> proprietary software to help fund open-source developments," he
> said. " " The spread of open source beyond the operating system to
> the application " layer--open-source databases, for example--will be
> funded by the need for " sophisticated proprietary applications to
> work on top of that layer, he " said. " " Shortly after Messman
> finished justifying Novell's proprietary heritage, " though, Novell
> European President Richard Seibt said that businesses should " move
> away from a closed approach to their internal software development
> and " adopt open-source methods in order to cut costs and improve
> efficiency. " " Seibt, formerly chief executive of SuSE Linux, said
> that the open-source " development model should no longer be the
> sole domain of traditional " open-source community members but
> should be embraced by mainstream " businesses. " " "There needs to
> be a change in culture when it comes to the mindset of " developers.
> We think that open source is something that needs to take hold " and
> something that enterprises should engage with. In an open-source "
> development model, you not only reduce your risk, you reduce your
> cost," " Seibt said. " " Seibt acknowledged that there could be
> "regulatory implications" for " companies looking to open-source
> applications they have developed in-house " on top of a proprietary
> application, but he added that Novell is working " with the rest of
> the industry to overcome this kind of legal hurdle. " " Novell has
> traditionally been viewed as a proprietary software company in a "
> similar mold as rival Microsoft. But following the acquisitions of "
> open-source tools company Ximian and SuSE Linux over the last 12
> months, the " company has been working hard to reconcile an open-
> source philosophy with " its proprietary past. " " "We are a company
> that is in transition, and we are about halfway through " that
> transition," said Messman. " " Novell's balancing act is exemplified
> by its efforts to align its NetWare " network operating system
> software with its SuSE Linux server products. " " The company has
> been keen to reassure legacy NetWare customers that it is " not
> abandoning the platform in its enthusiasm for everything open "
> source--despite the dwindling demand for new NetWare licenses.
> Microsoft's " dominance of the network operating market has forced
> NetWare into a niche " from which most experts predict it will never
> escape. " " Novell is hoping to keep NetWare alive with the
> introduction of Novell Open " Enterprise Server, which includes the
> legacy networking platform and SuSE " Linux Enterprise Server 9. The
> company hasn't provided a firm shipping date " for Open Enterprise
> Server but announced on Monday that the product will " move from
> closed beta testing to open beta testing in early November. " "
> Novell said it had record attendance at BrainShare Europe this year
> with " 2,300 international attendees at the show, which started
> Sunday and runs " through Thursday. " " Andrew Donoghue of ZDNet UK
> reported from Barcelona. " " " "
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  85. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  86. 2004-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  87. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  88. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  89. 2004-09-07 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  90. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  91. 2004-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  92. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  93. 2004-09-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Printing from Suse 9.1
  94. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Whippersnapper whistle-blowers beware
  95. 2004-09-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Whistle-blowers form a breed apart
  96. 2004-09-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  97. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  98. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  99. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  100. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Binutil
  101. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  102. 2004-09-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Binutil
  103. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Binutils disregard previous email
  104. 2004-09-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Good Morning
  105. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  106. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Binutil
  107. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] binutils
  108. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Binutils disregard previous email
  109. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] BSCP
  110. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Good Morning
  111. 2004-09-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  112. 2004-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sybase releases free Express database for Linux
  113. 2004-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-c9f4-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 8, 2004]
  114. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] binutils
  115. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I have no functional gas according to dosemu
  116. 2004-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  117. 2004-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  118. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  119. 2004-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  120. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  121. 2004-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C programming: 2d Arrays
  122. 2004-09-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] DOSEMU for PPC
  123. 2004-09-09 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  124. 2004-09-09 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  125. 2004-09-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Distributed Search Company Sues RIAA over Patent
  126. 2004-09-10 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  127. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  128. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Asian Spam - Die Now
  129. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] INDUCE: Copyright Office Recommended Statutory Language
  130. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Business in New York
  131. 2004-09-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Paranoia-dev] valgrind
  132. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: two dimensional arrays passed to functions
  133. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Astoria Queens LUG building
  134. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational Institution in Need
  135. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] gnomemeeting
  136. 2004-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Volunteer needed urgently in Brooklyn
  137. 2004-09-12 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Novell/SuSE offer
  138. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs2
  139. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs2.5
  140. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.1
  141. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.3
  142. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs3.5
  143. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs4.0
  144. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Jobs4.2
  145. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  146. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  147. 2004-09-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  148. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  149. 2004-09-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  150. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Web Site Redesign
  151. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] "Linux Backers to Support Standard"
  152. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Tech Servers
  153. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I am a man, and you are a woman
  154. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  155. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs3.8
  156. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Malware Writers Using Open-Source Tactics
  157. 2004-09-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell
  158. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  159. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Please Handle this first contact... Thanx
  160. 2004-09-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:
  161. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Educational Institution in Need
  162. 2004-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Site Redesign
  163. 2004-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting
  164. 2004-09-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] meeting
  165. 2004-09-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] meeting
  166. 2004-09-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Novell sees a 'both-source' future
  167. 2004-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] meeting
  168. 2004-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  169. 2004-09-17 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Google & Non-Profit Orgs
  170. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  171. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  172. 2004-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More jobs
  173. 2004-09-17 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Tech Kit
  174. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  175. 2004-09-18 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  176. 2004-09-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  177. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Economist mag
  178. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MYSQL News
  179. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  180. 2004-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] To be young and lost
  181. 2004-09-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  182. 2004-09-19 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  183. 2004-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sun reports Wall Street sick of Free Software :(
  184. 2004-09-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] To be young and lost
  185. 2004-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Big Oppurtunity for the Ready Free Software Enterprise Desktop
  186. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Oppurtunity for the Ready Free Software Enterprise Desktop
  187. 2004-09-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hang on to your seatbelts.
  188. 2004-09-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hang on to your seatbelts.
  189. 2004-09-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hang on to your seatbelts.
  190. 2004-09-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  191. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  192. 2004-09-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  193. 2004-09-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  194. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  195. 2004-09-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  196. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  197. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  198. 2004-09-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] meeting
  199. 2004-09-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] meeting
  200. 2004-09-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] SuSE Tech Kit
  201. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA stuff
  202. 2004-09-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hang on to your seatbelts.
  203. 2004-09-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] L'Shana Tova Tikasayvu (Happy Jewish New Year!)
  204. 2004-09-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] VectorLinux 4.3 Has Arrived!
  205. 2004-09-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  206. 2004-09-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  207. 2004-09-21 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  208. 2004-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  209. 2004-09-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenOffice: A legal Trojan horse--but for whom?
  210. 2004-09-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun denies report it is 'selling out' OpenOffice
  211. 2004-09-21 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  212. 2004-09-21 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What is wrong with this picture?
  213. 2004-09-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: C3 EXPO Launched - New Computing Event for Corporate & Channel
  214. 2004-09-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft software implicated in air traffic shutdo
  215. 2004-09-22 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Nitix Autonomic Linux-based Server Operating System
  216. 2004-09-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  217. 2004-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  218. 2004-09-22 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  219. 2004-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  220. 2004-09-22 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  221. 2004-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  222. 2004-09-22 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  223. 2004-09-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  224. 2004-09-22 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  225. 2004-09-22 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  226. 2004-09-22 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Spamassasin really sucks
  227. 2004-09-22 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  228. 2004-09-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  229. 2004-09-22 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  230. 2004-09-22 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  231. 2004-09-22 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  232. 2004-09-22 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  233. 2004-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  234. 2004-09-22 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows on Warships
  235. 2004-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Free 96-page report details benefits of Open Source software
  236. 2004-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft software implicated in air traffic shutdown
  237. 2004-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell recruit MS talent for GNU/Linux marketing
  238. 2004-09-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  239. 2004-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spamassassin Weak Points
  240. 2004-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun Open Source stratergy of the day
  241. 2004-09-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] SpamAssassin sports new open-source license
  242. 2004-09-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  243. 2004-09-23 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  244. 2004-09-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SpamAssassin sports new open-source license
  245. 2004-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] MS sues spammers webhosters.
  246. 2004-09-24 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  247. 2004-09-24 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  248. 2004-09-24 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> RE: [hangout] SuSE Ent9 Server & YOU
  249. 2004-09-24 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS sues spammers webhosters.
  250. 2004-09-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] First Amendment Defense Fails in DVD Copy Control
  251. 2004-09-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] UID weirdness
  252. 2004-09-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] UID weirdness
  253. 2004-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] UID weirdness
  254. 2004-09-25 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] NY Judge Repudiates Live Music Bootleg Law (fwd)
  255. 2004-09-25 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] FW: Interesting approach to stress] (fwd)
  256. 2004-09-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] FW: Interesting approach to stress]
  257. 2004-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Computer crash forces cancled flights.
  258. 2004-09-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  259. 2004-09-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] (fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 554-1] New sendmail packages fix
  260. 2004-09-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 554-1] New sendmail packages fix potential open relay
  261. 2004-09-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] High-tech job market lost 400,000 jobs
  262. 2004-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob M
  263. 2004-09-27 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob M
  264. 2004-09-27 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob M
  265. 2004-09-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 554-1] New sendmail packages fix potential open relay
  266. 2004-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SpamAssassin dccproc
  267. 2004-09-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  268. 2004-09-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  269. 2004-09-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Stratergies
  270. 2004-09-28 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: MANDATORY MILITARY DRAFT 2005
  271. 2004-09-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Munich Update
  272. 2004-09-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Only two weeks to go --- Register Now] (fwd)
  273. 2004-09-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jounal Committee Meeting Tomorrow
  274. 2004-09-30 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] FW: MANDATORY MILITARY DRAFT 2005
  275. 2004-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: MANDATORY MILITARY DRAFT 2005
  276. 2004-09-30 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Is there a meeting tonight?
  277. 2004-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Desktop News
  278. 2004-09-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New York Linux Scene (fwd)
  279. 2004-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] MS FAT Patent Overruled by USPTO

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