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DATE 2005-03-16
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Knoppix 3.8 and UnionFS. Wow. Just Wow.

by Kyle Rankin
Mar. 14, 2005
URL: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/56987



Klaus has released the latest version of Knoppix, 3.8, to the crowd at CeBIT
2005. This version includes the normal round of updates including the 2.6.11
kernel by default, KDE 3.3.2, and Firefox and Thunderbird instead of
Mozilla. The exciting news, however, is the addition of UnionFS
. UnionFS stacks your
Knoppix ramdisk on top of the read-only filesystem on the CD, the effect
being that you can apt-get install, and otherwise modify all of the files on
the system as though they were all writeable. Here I'll go over why I think
this is going to change Knoppix in a major way.


One of the struggles with using Knoppix day-to-day as a portable
distribution has always been the fact that the majority of the CD was
read-only. You had a nice ramdisk sandbox that let you write within the
/home directory, and tinker in /etc if you changed some of the symlinks. If
you wanted persistence, there was a nice script that created a small
filesystem on writeable media like a usb thumbdrive and used it to store
your home directory.


The Problem


The problem, of course, is that you couldn't install new programs with this
method. All of /usr is read-only. Over time various methods have been
introduced to try to hack around this by redirecting binaries into the /home
directory and changing various system paths. The live software installer
that came with previous versions of Knoppix is one example, and klik
is another. These worked okay, depending on the
program, but in some cases relied on hacks such as using scripts to search
and replace file paths within binaries.


The Solution


Enter UnionFS. With this system, basically every segment of the filesystem
is read-write. UnionFS keeps track of which files you have modified (which
are modified and stored within the ramdisk) and which are unmodified, all on
the fly. When you access a file in the filesystem that has been modified,
UnionFS points you to the copy in ramdisk instead of the copy on the CD-ROM.
This means that if you, say, want to install the enlightenment window
manager all you would need to do is:


knoppix-at-2[knoppix]$ sudo apt-get update
knoppix-at-2[knoppix]$ sudo apt-get install enlightenment


You can install programs just like with Debian. They all get installed to
their regular locations, and if you check out the /ramdisk directory on the
CD, you will see a mirror of the root directory structure (or at least the
directories that have been modified) and can see all of the files that you
have changed. You can even use your favorite graphical packaging program (if
you have one) to install packages.


This also means that if you set up a persistent home directory, you can
potentially back up all of these changes and restore them at boot. In fact,
Knoppix 3.8 already has a modified persistent home script that does just
this (although it's still a beta feature so expect to see bugs here and
there). Knoppix can even detect when you have done this on a drive when it
boots, and will let you choose what features to restore from this image (if
any). If you let it time out, Knoppix does the safe thing and doesn't load
any of the settings.


The latest persistence script also automates the process of setting up an
AES256-encrypted home directory, so if you are concerned about the security
of your persistent image you can enable this option, type in a passcode, and
Knoppix does the rest.


I really think UnionFS is going to take Knoppix to a whole new level of
ubiquitous computing. You can truly use the CD just like any other installed
CD, and with the prices of usb thumbdrives continuing to drop, you can
basically install anything you would like. Major changes, such as replacing
KDE with Gnome, probably will still work better if you do a full remaster,
but I expect all of the Knoppix-based live CDs (if they are smart) will
incorporate this technology into future releases.


Can you tell that I'm excited about this? Like I said, currently it seems to
be a bit buggy (on a few of my machines I seem to get some instability after
I restore from an image), but I imagine that sort of thing will be ironed
out once the "download version" of Knoppix 3.8 hits http://www.knoppix.org
.


Kyle Rankin is a system
administrator for The Green Sheet, Inc., the current president of the North
Bay Linux Users Group , and the author of Knoppix Hacks
.



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.de/english/newsticker/news/56987


Klaus has released the latest version of Knoppix, 3.8, to the crowd at C=
eBIT=20
2005. This version includes the normal round of updates including the 2.6.1=
1=20
kernel by default, KDE 3.3.2, and Firefox and Thunderbird instead of Mozill=
a.=20
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ink=20
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One of the struggles with using Knoppix day-to-day as a portable distrib=
ution=20
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a=20
nice ramdisk sandbox that let you write within the /home directory, and tin=
ker=20
in /etc if you changed some of the symlinks. If you wanted persistence, the=
re=20
was a nice script that created a small filesystem on writeable media like a=
usb=20
thumbdrive and used it to store your home directory.=20

The Problem


The problem, of course, is that you couldn't install new programs with t=
his=20
method. All of /usr is read-only. Over time various methods have been intro=
duced=20
to try to hack around this by redirecting binaries into the /home directory=
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previous versions of Knoppix is one example, and href=3D"http://klik.sf.net/">klik is another. These worked okay, depend=
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The Solution


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modified and stored within the ramdisk) and which are unmodified, all on t=
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points you to the copy in ramdisk instead of the copy on the CD-ROM. This m=
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knoppix-at-2[knoppix]$ sudo apt-get=20
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knoppix-at-2[knoppix]$ sudo apt-get install=20
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You can install programs just like with Debian. They all get installed t=
o=20
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CD,=20
you will see a mirror of the root directory structure (or at least the=20
directories that have been modified) and can see all of the files that you =
have=20
changed. You can even use your favorite graphical packaging program (if you=
have=20
one) to install packages.=20

This also means that if you set up a persistent home directory, you can=
potentially back up all of these changes and restore them at boot. In fact=
,=20
Knoppix 3.8 already has a modified persistent home script that does just th=
is=20
(although it's still a beta feature so expect to see bugs here and there).=
Knoppix can even detect when you have done this on a drive when it boots, =
and=20
will let you choose what features to restore from this image (if any). If y=
ou=20
let it time out, Knoppix does the safe thing and doesn't load any of the=20
settings.=20

The latest persistence script also automates the process of setting up a=
n=20
AES256-encrypted home directory, so if you are concerned about the security=
of=20
your persistent image you can enable this option, type in a passcode, and=
Knoppix does the rest.=20

I really think UnionFS is going to take Knoppix to a whole new level of=
ubiquitous computing. You can truly use the CD just like any other install=
ed CD,=20
and with the prices of usb thumbdrives continuing to drop, you can basicall=
y=20
install anything you would like. Major changes, such as replacing KDE with=
Gnome, probably will still work better if you do a full remaster, but I ex=
pect=20
all of the Knoppix-based live CDs (if they are smart) will incorporate this=
technology into future releases.=20

Can you tell that I'm excited about this? Like I said, currently it seem=
s to=20
be a bit buggy (on a few of my machines I seem to get some instability afte=
r I=20
restore from an image), but I imagine that sort of thing will be ironed out=
once=20
the "download version" of Knoppix 3.8 hits href=3D"http://www.knoppix.org/">http://www.knoppix.org.=20

Kyle Rankin is =
a=20
system administrator for The Green Sheet, Inc., the current president of th=
e href=3D"http://nblug.org/">North Bay Linux Users Group, and the author =
of href=3D"http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/knoppixhks">Knoppix Hacks.=20





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  62. 2005-03-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  63. 2005-03-04 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: Your showtimes for Loews 34th Street
  64. 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  65. 2005-03-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG down?
  66. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  67. 2005-03-06 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  68. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  69. 2005-03-06 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  70. 2005-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  71. 2005-03-06 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [wwwac] origin of software licensing (?)
  72. 2005-03-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  73. 2005-03-07 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  74. 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Best Magazine Cover I've ever seen
  75. 2005-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLUG down?
  76. 2005-03-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  77. 2005-03-07 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] NASA World Wind 1.3 released - only on W2K/XP platform!
  78. 2005-03-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Feature: OpenBSD's "Out of the Box" Wireless Support
  79. 2005-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  80. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  81. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  82. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  83. 2005-03-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl and stacks
  84. 2005-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Filter Twiking
  85. 2005-03-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 will be shipping mid-April, 2005,
  86. 2005-03-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] A first look at OpenOffice.org 2.0
  87. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Test
  88. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Theo de Raadt presented with the 2004 Free Software Award
  89. 2005-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0.1 Available for Free Download
  90. 2005-03-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  91. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  92. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  93. 2005-03-14 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fw: Reminder: ACSS meeting this Tuesday at 6:30
  94. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  95. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  96. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Suse CEO interview
  97. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Freeware version of Windows-to-Linux desktop migration tool now a
  98. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux a picture of health at CeBIT
  99. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Mozilla ditches browser suite development
  100. 2005-03-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open-Source Software Boon to Oregon Economy
  101. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Page Joe Grastara
  102. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Adam Kosmin
  103. 2005-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse CEO interview
  104. 2005-03-15 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting
  105. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora takes off as Red Hat declines
  106. 2005-03-15 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Meeting ACSSLI train sched.
  107. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Solaris 10 Heads for Linux Territory
  108. 2005-03-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE takeover 'pushed customers to Debian'
  109. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  110. 2005-03-16 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  111. 2005-03-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  112. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  113. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  114. 2005-03-16 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fw: [Politics] Third-grader commutes to school by mule
  115. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Distrowatch News
  116. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable
  117. 2005-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Knoppix 3.8 and UnionFS. Wow. Just Wow.
  118. 2005-03-16 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  119. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  120. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Nylxs Marriot Meeting
  121. 2005-03-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: multiple Mozilla Firefox vulnerabilities (SUSE-SA:2005:016)]
  122. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  123. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  124. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Companies accused of violating the GPL
  125. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  126. 2005-03-17 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Subject: [hangout] Improving your presentation Skills.
  127. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Meeting and follow up
  128. 2005-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Marriott Meeting Followup - Thank You All!
  129. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pending license change
  130. 2005-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [vjs-at-calcite.rhyolite.com: pending license change]
  131. 2005-03-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  132. 2005-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  133. 2005-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  134. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Open Source Business Conference Update: New Keynote Speaker
  135. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: The New IBM LinuxLine
  136. 2005-03-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] MIT backs Brazil's choice of Linux over Microsoft
  137. 2005-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  138. 2005-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  139. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware security sneaks into PCs
  140. 2005-03-19 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] I cant believe it department.
  141. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bridge and Tunnel People
  142. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Continuing bad news on the DRM front
  143. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Minutes - Joann we need them now!
  144. 2005-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Syrian News
  145. 2005-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA - We don't need no stinken DMCA
  146. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] GPL Violation in Emergecore IT in a Box
  147. 2005-03-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I think we got Manhattan Space for a resonable cost.
  148. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Canada - 2005
  149. 2005-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all
  150. 2005-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dice.Com Bullish on Linux Career Prospects
  151. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  152. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meetings this week
  153. 2005-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell announces small-business Linux bundle
  154. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  155. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mbmiller-at-taxa.epi.umn.edu: GNU GPL and NIH/NSF software and publications - a thought
  156. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  157. 2005-03-23 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  158. 2005-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  159. 2005-03-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  160. 2005-03-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  161. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets] OT: Abbott and Costello, Meet the Cybermen
  162. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source: Free Windows Apps
  163. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Programmers bypass Red Hat Linux fees
  164. 2005-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] What it's like to run windows
  165. 2005-03-25 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes
  166. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  167. 2005-03-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  168. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  169. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes?
  170. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Results
  171. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Boggling News from the Scientific Front
  172. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  173. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Switch to DSL
  174. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Telephoney in the Times
  175. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Trill of the Download
  176. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  177. 2005-03-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  178. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  179. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing Wars
  180. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  181. 2005-03-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NIH/NSF projects and the GPL
  182. 2005-03-28 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  183. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Adobe 7.0 reader for Linux now available
  184. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] De Montfort University switches to SUSE Linux
  185. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  186. 2005-03-29 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  187. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  188. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  189. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  190. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  191. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  192. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  193. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  194. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  195. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  196. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  197. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  198. 2005-03-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  199. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  200. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  201. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  202. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  203. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  204. 2005-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2nd Annual Brewtopia World Beer Festival (NYC)
  205. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] HP and HRD - not what you think :)
  206. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  207. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The World is Coming to an End - No kidding

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