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MESSAGE
DATE 2005-03-30
FROM dspira@att.net (Dave_att)
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court


Ruben,

I could be wrong about this but I seem to be getting suliminal
messages from reading your message.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Ruben Safir
>
> Court Ruling May Not Hinder Music Theft
> Court Ruling May Not Hinder Music Theft
>
> By Ted Bridis
> AP
> 03/30/05 7:54 AM PT
>
> Richard Taranto, the lawyer for software-maker Grokster, told the
> Supreme Court on yesterday that modern file-sharing tools like
> Grokster's are "autonomous communications products," underscoring the
> evolution of such software since the entertainment industry's landmark
> victory in July 2001 shutting down the Napster online service.
>
>
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> Even if entertainment companies win their Supreme Court battle for new
> authority to protect movies and music on the Internet, lawyers say it
> won't be easy to shut down the decentralized computer links used to
> trade songs and films.
>
> However, entertainment executives say expanded grounds for lawsuits are
> needed to discourage inventors from profiting from cool gadgets of the
> future that could be used for stealing.
>
>
> Weeding Out Worst
> "This sort of thing is out there now and you can't go -- and I may be
> wrong about this -- but I don't you think you can go into people's homes
> and pull [software] out, or that anybody's likely to do that," said
> Theodore Olsen, the former U.S. solicitor general now working for
> entertainment companies. "But it would be an important statement; an
> important point here is to stop the worst of the activity, stop the
> people who are making money."
>
> Richard Taranto, the lawyer for software-maker Grokster, told the
> Supreme Court yesterday that modern file-sharing tools like Grokster's
> are "autonomous communications products," underscoring the evolution of
> such software since the entertainment industry's landmark victory in
> July 2001 shutting down the centralized Napster online service.
>
> Taranto said the case presently facing the Supreme Court is "critically
> different" from the Napster legal fight. He argued that since Grokster
> isn't directly involved in the activities of its customers illegally
> swapping music and movies online, it can't be sued for violating
> copyrights.
>
>
> Justices Divided
> Justices appeared divided on important issues during courtroom
> arguments. In a lively hourlong debate, the court openly worried that
> new lawsuits could stunt the next iPod. Justices also wondered aloud
> whether lawsuits against manufacturers might have discouraged past
> inventions like copying machines, videocassette recorders and MP3 Latest
> News about MP3 music players -- which consumers can use to make illegal
> copies of documents, movies and songs.
>
> Justice Antonin Scalia said a ruling for entertainment companies could
> mean that if "I'm a new inventor, I'm going to get sued right away."
> Scalia, 69, referred to the company as "Grokster, whatever this outfit
> is called."
>
> The chief executive for Sony (NYSE: SNE) Latest News about Sony BMG
> Music Entertainment, Andrew Lack, said Grokster "doesn't pass the smell
> test with a lot of the justices." Lack was in the courtroom yesterday.
>
> "There were some concerns that they don't want to see technology or
> innovation stifled," Lack said. "Grokster is wrong from a variety of
> perspectives."
>
>
> Defending Customers
> The entertainment industry's lawyer, Donald Verrilli Jr., maintained
> that, unlike Grokster's customers, most iPod buyers are honest consumers
> who pay for their digital music, effectively shielding Apple Computer
> (Nasdaq: AAPL) Latest News about Apple from such copyright lawsuits.
>
> But Justice David H. Souter said even iPod users will steal music if
> they believe they can. Souter questioned why the entertainment industry
> wants to sue Grokster but under the same legal theory wouldn't also sue
> Apple so aggressively the iPod's developer Get a free copy of Sybase(R)
> ASE Express Edition for Linux. Download now! would "lose his shirt."
>
> "I know perfectly well if I can get music on my iPod without paying
> that's what I'm going to do," said Souter.
>
> Yet the court appeared deeply troubled by Grokster's efforts to
> encourage rampant Internet piracy and profit from it. Verrilli called
> its software "a gigantic engine of infringement" thieves use to steal
> 2.6 billion songs, movies and other digital files each month.
>
>
> Frustrating Thieves
> Justice Anthony M. Kennedy pressed Grokster's lawyer on whether profits
> from trafficking in stolen property can rightfully be used to help
> finance a young technology business Meet the server enhanced for Linux®:
> the new IBM eServer™ OpenPower™ system.. "That seems wrong to me,"
> Kennedy said.
>
> Regardless of the outcome, it still won't be legal to download
> copyrighted materials over the Internet without permission, though tens
> of millions of computer users do it each day. A ruling won't affect
> thousands of copyright lawsuits filed against Internet users caught
> sharing music and movies online.
>
> Besides the lawsuits, the entertainment industry has deliberately
> polluted file-sharing networks with poor-quality copies of songs and
> falsely named files, among other tactics, to frustrate Internet thieves.
>
>
>
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  105. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot mil sites.
  106. 2005-03-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I wont be at tonights meeting.
  107. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cyrus-sasl remote code execution (SUSE-SA:2005:013)]
  108. 2005-03-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suitwatch Linux Journal
  109. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  110. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  111. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  112. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  113. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Starting a club at BC (report from the trenches).
  114. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  115. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom..
  116. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  117. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  118. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  119. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  120. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  121. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  122. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  123. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  124. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  125. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  126. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  127. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  128. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  129. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  130. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  131. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  132. 2005-03-02 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  133. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  134. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  135. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  136. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  137. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Baby goes boom?
  138. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  139. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  140. 2005-03-02 From: "Martin, Jared" <JMartin-at-dglaw.com> RE: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  141. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  142. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  143. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  144. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting paid for your work...
  145. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  146. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  147. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  148. 2005-03-02 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  149. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sir Bill
  150. 2005-03-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] We have truly lost it ....
  151. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] wikipedia NYLXS entry
  152. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sir Bill
  153. 2005-03-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Q&A: Author of Dude, Did I Steal Your Job? sounds off
  154. 2005-03-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Email problem.
  155. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  156. 2005-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2nd Annual Brewtopia World Beer Festival (NYC)
  157. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  158. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  159. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The World is Coming to an End - No kidding
  160. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P and the Supreme Court
  161. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] HP and HRD - not what you think :)
  162. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  163. 2005-03-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  164. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  165. 2005-03-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  166. 2005-03-30 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  167. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  168. 2005-03-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  169. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  170. 2005-03-29 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  171. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  172. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  173. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  174. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  175. 2005-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  176. 2005-03-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  177. 2005-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Weird Useless News
  178. 2005-03-28 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  179. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] De Montfort University switches to SUSE Linux
  180. 2005-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Adobe 7.0 reader for Linux now available
  181. 2005-03-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NIH/NSF projects and the GPL
  182. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing P2P
  183. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] File Sharing Wars
  184. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  185. 2005-03-26 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  186. 2005-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fund Raising Committee
  187. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Results
  188. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  189. 2005-03-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  190. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  191. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Note: If IE is insecure - WINDOWS is INSECURE
  192. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Trill of the Download
  193. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Switch to DSL
  194. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Telephoney in the Times
  195. 2005-03-25 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes
  196. 2005-03-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Boggling News from the Scientific Front
  197. 2005-03-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT Meeting Notes?
  198. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Programmers bypass Red Hat Linux fees
  199. 2005-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source: Free Windows Apps
  200. 2005-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] What it's like to run windows
  201. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets] OT: Abbott and Costello, Meet the Cybermen
  202. 2005-03-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  203. 2005-03-23 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting
  204. 2005-03-23 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  205. 2005-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  206. 2005-03-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday March 16 2005 Minutes
  207. 2005-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom-IT meeting

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