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DATE 2007-07-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2007-07-30
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 02:59:38PM -0400, Matthew wrote:
> Ruben,
> I live in manhattan and am going to have to pay a fee if I want to
> bring a car south of a certain line. What about the people living there?
>
> I like the idea of the congession fee. It should reduce the traffic
> on the brooklyn and manhattan bridge.


The congestion fee is only a tax on everyone in the city so that
Mr and Mrs Joe Suburb can continue to drive into city streets
that my tax dollars already pay for. Its a financial barrier to
entry into the city which my taxes already pay for, which my
vote helped support and build, and which I'm a citizen of.

Its a con to increase my taxes in order to allow suburban intersts
to rape the city and my pocket.


>
> I am not happy with which street he is choosing. Personally, I think
> the line should be at 57th street. You turn south of 57th you get
> charged.
>
> They do have to raise the rates for out of neighborhood parking.
> It would be cool if we could have it such that the parking fee
> for people who live north of the line was not that expensive
> but if somebody from out of the neighborhood wanted to park it would
> be pretty expensive. like $8 an hour.
>
> I think an idea like that for Park Slope would actually make that neighborhood
> nice.
>
> (they have hell driving there themselves.)
>
> anyhow, that is my 2 cents.
>


This is going to cost you more than 2 cents. Every time you take a cab is will
cost your a fortune just to use your own city so you can be raped by a Scarsdale
businessman or housewife who have segregated themselves off from NYC public schools
but demand access to midtown manhattan.

The congestion problem, and its not a problem btw, it is business asset, and if
we wanted to fix it, we should do so by giving city dwellers exclussive access
to our own streets.

And just so that you should know, we subsidize every aspect of suburban driving
from the highway subsidies to the subusies of the LIRR. If you want less
traffic then cut the problem off at the knees and make New Jersey, Westchester
and Long Island pay their own bills. Its simple enough to draw a ring around
the 5 boroughs and charge $75 to enter unless your a truck.

As for Ray's comment about London, this is NOT London. In London, inner city school
children aren't told by their central government to absorb financial cutsbacks
and to close school hours to between 10-2PM as we in NYC was. In London they
don't have to be told that they can't tax commuters because those people live
in another state.

In London when the Brittish Government is sovern over the whole city so London's
children aren't abandoned when the city's obvigations over run its ability to
raise funds. They don't have half of the city living in a foriegn jurisdiction.


Ruben


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  1. 2007-07-03 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Are we meeting this month?
  2. 2007-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Are we meeting this month?
  3. 2007-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Are we meeting this month?
  4. 2007-07-03 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Are we meeting this month?
  5. 2007-07-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: joining NYLUG
  6. 2007-07-06 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Happy Fourth
  7. 2007-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Piant Penguins
  8. 2007-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: wikepedia
  9. 2007-07-09 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsoft divorses Apple, remarries to Linux, Part 2 of 2 (was: Fwd: LL: Is Linux Splitting into Two Factions?)
  10. 2007-07-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  11. 2007-07-11 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  12. 2007-07-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  13. 2007-07-11 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  14. 2007-07-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  15. 2007-07-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Forts in Brooklyn Heights
  16. 2007-07-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Forts in Brooklyn Heights
  17. 2007-07-12 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Forts in Brooklyn Heights
  18. 2007-07-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting this week
  19. 2007-07-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting this week
  20. 2007-07-13 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting this week
  21. 2007-07-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting this week
  22. 2007-07-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Secure VoIP
  23. 2007-07-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  24. 2007-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  25. 2007-07-25 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  26. 2007-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  27. 2007-07-25 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  28. 2007-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  29. 2007-07-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  30. 2007-07-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  31. 2007-07-27 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  32. 2007-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [marco-at-digifreedom.net: Wanted: Free Software resources for all families and schools]
  33. 2007-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  34. 2007-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  35. 2007-07-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  36. 2007-07-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  37. 2007-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  38. 2007-07-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office

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