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MESSAGE
DATE 2007-07-30
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 10:48:03PM -0400, Amy Coleman wrote:
> SI is part of the 5 boroughs so wouldn't that make it part of NYC????
> -Amy
>

As a Staten Islander, Amy, do you want to pay $7 for the bringe and THEN
ANOTHER $20 to enter Manhattan, just to drive on the streets?

Or to pay another $20 for a cab?

Ruben

>
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 02:50:56AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> > > Umm hmm
> > > Then how do you explain the toll on the Verizano bridge?
> > > People on Staten Island are charged to leave the island no matter where they
> > > go unless we take the ferry into Manhattan
> > > and the ferry is only free because Staten Island voted to succeed from the
> > > city and the only reason we didn't is that the subject was tabled out of
> > > existence in Albany. before that we were charged for the bus, train, or
> > > parking on Staten Island then charged for the ferry then charged for the
> > > subway once we got to Manhattan.
> >
> >
> > BTW - I have no idea how Staten Island became part of NYC, but Brooklyn
> > join NYC on the CONDITION that access to Manhattan would be developed and
> > maintained. That was the deal. It was cost the City of Brooklyn the development
> > of its entire central business district which was subjegated to Manhattan
> > development. How about paying to CROSS the Verrazono and then having to pay
> > an ADDITIONAL 20 bucks because you have to share the fucking road with a
> > bunch of gonzos from Conneticut, Westchester and Jersey.
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Oh also I agree with Ray on the whole Black Sticky residue. I can remember
> > > when i was a teenager and I was doing a carpentry internship at the south
> > > street seaport. twice a week we would have to scrub a nearly one inch thick
> > > layer of black sticky filth off all of the railings and decks in all of the
> > > closed off out door areas of the ships.
> > >
> > > As to the Mayor I'm staying out of it because my opinions of the Guilliani
> > > administration differ severly from your.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/25/07, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:23:56PM -0400, email wrote:
> > > >> I hear you, defiantly, but living on 1st ave is 10 times worse than
> > > >> living on the edge of the Gowanas Expressway which I did for 18 years.
> > > >
> > > >First, there are 2 issue. The first issue is that anything which
> > > >seperates Brooklyn from Manhattan is a violation of the City's
> > > >sovernity, and I will not brouch it. The 5 boroughs are 1 city, and
> > > >we have the right to free travel anywhere in our city, without any other
> > > >considerations.
> > > >
> > > >Secondly, I'm at LICH, right off the Gwonas Expressway, just before it
> > > >heads under the Promanade. The trafic nighmare for New York is from the
> > > >Toga Line that comes in over the Verazzano Bridge, from NJ, from the BQE
> > > >and LIE from Nassua and Suffolk county. I've been subsidizing those
> > > >pin heads access to NY via car for decades. Just shut off non-residential
> > > >driving PERIOD, and the problem stops.
> > > >
> > > >No more 20 block traffic jams to the Lincoln Tunnel, no more parking lot
> > > >past Shea Stadium, no more...
> > > >
> > > >If you don't live here, don't DRIVE HERE.
> > > >
> > > >I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the fcuking MTA
> > > >screwing me every day and a brainless Manhattan Centric Mayor telling me
> > > >that
> > > >I'll be treated like someone from Baldwin.
> > > >
> > > >Ruben
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> That said there is better than Kings Hwy on a busy day. Traffic sucks
> > > >> anywhere in this town, but you're forgetting Manhattan gets it from all
> > > >> angles, not only LI which kills Brooklyn. We get NJ too.
> > > >>
> > > >> And yes, moving is an option, one I'm not quick to do. ut next time we
> > > >> grab a beer in the village I'll show you the inch of soot, rubber &
> > > >> asphalt dust on my windowsills that settles as quick as I can wipe it.
> > > >> Pray for my lungs!
> > > >>
> > > >> :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > >> >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:51:27PM -0400, email wrote:
> > > >> >>>we had him treat Brooklynites as second class citizens with the
> > > >> >>>congestion pricing crap
> > > >> >>while I see your point, this program has worked wonders in London
> > > >which
> > > >> >>is where he got it from. And living in Manhattan is a nightmare with
> > > >> >>deadly levels of toxic air and noise pollutants, so I have to say I
> > > >> >>welcome it HUGELY. I am seriously considering moving out of state due
> > > >> >>to the toxicity of Manhattan, not to mention the danger the traffic
> > > >> >>brings.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Now I will admit, Brooklyn will suffer from the parking hordes, which
> > > >I
> > > >> >>hated in the 80's and are exponentially worse now.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Brooklyn carries all that traffic ANYWAY. I will not sit here and be a
> > > >> >second class
> > > >> >citizen in my own city. I have every right you do as a Manhattan
> > > >> >resident. If they
> > > >> >want to make it a residence driving only city, no problem. But to make
> > > >me
> > > >> >equal
> > > >> >to Hackansak is utter bullshit.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >And frankly Ray, I love you, but if you don't like traffic, moving out
> > > >of
> > > >> >Manhattan is an option.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Ruben
> > > >> >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> > > >http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > > >
> > > >So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
> > > >Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
> > > >Safir 1998
> > > >
> > > >http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> > > >Safir 2002
> > > >
> > > >"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> > > >
> > > >"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> > > >our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
> > > >society."
> > > >
> > > >"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> > > >damned.<
> > > >You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
> > > >been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
> > > >you missed that one."
> > > >
> > > >(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >
> > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> >
> > http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> >
> > "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> >
> > "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
> >
> > "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
> > You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
> >
> > © Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> >

--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium

  1. 2007-07-03 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Are we meeting this month?
  2. 2007-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Are we meeting this month?
  3. 2007-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Are we meeting this month?
  4. 2007-07-03 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Are we meeting this month?
  5. 2007-07-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: joining NYLUG
  6. 2007-07-06 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Happy Fourth
  7. 2007-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Piant Penguins
  8. 2007-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: wikepedia
  9. 2007-07-09 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsoft divorses Apple, remarries to Linux, Part 2 of 2 (was: Fwd: LL: Is Linux Splitting into Two Factions?)
  10. 2007-07-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  11. 2007-07-11 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  12. 2007-07-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  13. 2007-07-11 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  14. 2007-07-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  15. 2007-07-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Forts in Brooklyn Heights
  16. 2007-07-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Forts in Brooklyn Heights
  17. 2007-07-12 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Forts in Brooklyn Heights
  18. 2007-07-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting this week
  19. 2007-07-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting this week
  20. 2007-07-13 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting this week
  21. 2007-07-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting this week
  22. 2007-07-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Secure VoIP
  23. 2007-07-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  24. 2007-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  25. 2007-07-25 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  26. 2007-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  27. 2007-07-25 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  28. 2007-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  29. 2007-07-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  30. 2007-07-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  31. 2007-07-27 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  32. 2007-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [marco-at-digifreedom.net: Wanted: Free Software resources for all families and schools]
  33. 2007-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  34. 2007-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  35. 2007-07-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  36. 2007-07-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  37. 2007-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office
  38. 2007-07-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Unreachable Mayor's Office

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