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DATE 2006-03-16
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] Fwd: Multichannel News - Analysts
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On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 00:50 -0500, Dana Spiegel wrote:
> Again, Jim, you love to mis-represent.
>
> If *you* understood how our economy functions, you'd know that what
> would happen if these companies went belly up would be that, after a
> short period of dark time, lots of little companies would be formed
> (some non-profits like NYCwireless, in fact), that would start to
> provide the missing service. Many of these companies would be started
> by and employ many of the same technicians and engineers that were
> abandoned when their bosses ran their telco and cableco companies
> into the ground. Soon, there would be many companies competing,
> buying up the (now cheap) resources of the rotting carcasses of those
> old telco and cablecos, and putting the existing infrastructure back
> to use, but running it in a more efficient manner.
>
> This is what Joseph Schumpeter, a great economist, called "Creative
> Destruction". It is the way healthy economies and competitive
> marketplaces work.
>


Dana

Overnight I've given this thread some serious consideration.

When I ran the lists for NYLXS and NYFairUse there have been times when
paid lobbyest and an disruptor's by the copyright industry had been on
the mailing list. Sometimes they are just collecting data for later use
in testimony and courts. At other times they have used the maillists as
tools to sharpen they're arguments for the public and congressional
hearings, or to do blatant lobbying on the list.


These are paid commercial interests on the list and should not be viewed
as individual members. With regard to their arguments on the list, they
could care less about the issues, only the paycheck. It is this kind of
relentless lobbying and paid for advertising that gives commercial
interests a ridicules advantage that they have in public discourse.
They relentlessly stay on message and relentlessly argue and
misrepresent their cases 24/7.

I'd recommend that you remove this person from the list. I don't make
this recommendation lightly. In fact, in over a decade, it is
unprecedented for me to make a public request such as this on someone
elses list to ban anyone. But in this case, your not banning an
individual, or even curbing speech on the list, but just eliminating a
hired disruptor who is hired with hard cash to oppose the goals of your
organization.

Sincerly

Ruben Safir
President NYLXS
Founder of NY Fair Use

> Dana Spiegel
> Executive Director
> NYCwireless
> dana-at-NYCwireless.net
> www.NYCwireless.net
> +1 917 402 0422
>
> Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info
>


  1. 2006-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Rx Software
  2. 2006-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next Board Meeting
  3. 2006-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use and Broadcast Media
  4. 2006-03-01 From: "mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next Board Meeting
  5. 2006-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next Board Meeting
  6. 2006-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS General Meeting - Tuesday Evening
  7. 2006-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: CareerBuilder.com: Assistant DB Support Analyst Needed]
  8. 2006-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Important Statement to Review for Signing
  9. 2006-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux and hardware
  10. 2006-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The time for Free Software is now
  11. 2006-03-03 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: accounting-at-nylxs.com
  12. 2006-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [Balug-talk] [JOB] Sr. OO Perl Programmer, San Fran, CA |
  13. 2006-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Summary Report
  14. 2006-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Feb 9-11?
  15. 2006-03-06 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] video of last week's isoc-ny forum
  16. 2006-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting tonight at K&R
  17. 2006-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] video/imaging company seeks
  18. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Web Developer Position]
  19. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] netstat's limitations
  20. 2006-03-08 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] netstat's limitations
  21. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] netstat's limitations
  22. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Where are the Minutes Joann?
  23. 2006-03-08 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of March 6 meeting
  24. 2006-03-08 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of March 6th Meeting
  25. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Minutes of March 6 meeting]
  26. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of March 6th Meeting
  27. 2006-03-08 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of March 7 meeting
  28. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Desktop Promise at IBM
  29. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Dell GNU Desktops, would make a good Journal Article
  30. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More on GNU Desktops
  31. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Desktop Promise at IBM
  32. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of March 7 meeting
  33. 2006-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] USA Today cites Kushnick's ebook in merger
  34. 2006-03-09 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] netstat's limitations
  35. 2006-03-09 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] netstat's limitations
  36. 2006-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] netstat's limitations
  37. 2006-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] netstat's limitations
  38. 2006-03-09 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] netstat's limitations
  39. 2006-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Everything I hear I own
  40. 2006-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Fax and Answering Machine
  41. 2006-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: 3Com Contact Info users]
  42. 2006-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [501techclub-ny] organization needs emergency IT help]
  43. 2006-03-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [501techclub-ny] organization needs e
  44. 2006-03-10 dspira-at-att.net (Dave_att) Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of March 6 meeting
  45. 2006-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Minutes of March 6 meeting
  46. 2006-03-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: UNIGROUP 16-MAR-2006 (Thu): The MySQL RDBMS
  47. 2006-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [Hardhats-members] Ubuntu code of conduct]
  48. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  49. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [nycwireless] Fwd: A better idea for Net neutrality
  50. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bayonne Announcement
  51. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [nycwireless] Fwd: Multichannel News - Analysts Question
  52. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: [nycwireless] Fwd: Multichannel News - Analysts Question
  53. 2006-03-15 From: "mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  54. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  55. 2006-03-15 From: "mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  56. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  57. 2006-03-15 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  58. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was: Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments]
  59. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  60. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  61. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] Fwd: Multichannel News - Analysts
  62. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Healthcare Software News
  63. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was: Multichannel
  64. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:
  65. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:
  66. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:
  67. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article
  68. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  69. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A small marble beginning
  70. 2006-03-16 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  71. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Meeting
  72. 2006-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MS Vs IBM
  73. 2006-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Feb 9-11?
  74. 2006-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: NYLXS Journal Meeting]
  75. 2006-03-17 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Meeting
  76. 2006-03-20 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Great Brooklyn Stuff
  77. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was: Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments]
  78. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was: Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments]
  79. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Reminder: Journal Meeting
  80. 2006-03-20 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where is everybody?
  81. 2006-03-20 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] EFF HR.1201 campaign
  82. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] EFF HR.1201 campaign
  83. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where is everybody?
  84. 2006-03-20 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where is everybody?
  85. 2006-03-21 From: "J.E. Cripps" <cycmn-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where is everybody?
  86. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ANNOUNCE: Leading Itanium Processor Architects to Keynote Gelato Conference
  87. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Grants
  88. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: RE: [Hardhats-members] Open source and accessibility]
  89. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Hardhats-members] Mac,m Linux, CrossOver and stuff (was: Open
  90. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A step above Slashdot
  91. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Study and the consequences of the DMCA
  92. 2006-03-21 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A step above Slashdot
  93. 2006-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: CareerBuilder.com: DATA ENTRY & SCANNER PRO - Needed ASAP]
  94. 2006-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A step above Slashdot
  95. 2006-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Hardhats-members] Mac,m Linux, CrossOver and stuff (was: Ope
  96. 2006-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Publication
  97. 2006-03-23 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Workshop on NYS Grant Opportunities
  98. 2006-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Penguin Day?
  99. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Shared Parenting Round 2 plus New Column: Are
  100. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Fwd: Shared Parenting Round 2 plus New Column: Are American
  101. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Inquiry from a Disable IT Worker Looking for Some Insight- I
  102. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Inquiry from a Disable IT Worker Looking for Some Insight- I
  103. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] gtk-gnuetella
  104. 2006-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BEING TAXED OUT OF N.Y.
  105. 2006-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free (as in Software) Drugs
  106. 2006-03-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Tale of Complete Stupidity and Its True! Oklahoma city threa tens
  107. 2006-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Cancelled Comics Cavalcade
  108. 2006-03-29 MLR<mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Crazy Cat in Conn. Ambushes the Avon Lady
  109. 2006-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: new study on Linux management being released tomorrow ...]
  110. 2006-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Crazy Cat in Conn. Ambushes the Avon Lady
  111. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] touring Brooklyn
  112. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Cancelled Comics Cavalcade
  113. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wynkoop Rewriting History
  114. 2006-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux supporters fiddle while OpenSSH burns
  115. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [501techclub-ny] Funding opportunity: Third Wave Foundation
  116. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Adam Kosmin has been a star!
  117. 2006-03-30 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  118. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  119. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jobs
  120. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Parental Rights in Albany
  121. 2006-03-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] We Are Not Alone: Bristol City Council Converts 5,500 desktops to
  122. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] We Are Not Alone: Bristol City Council
  123. 2006-03-31 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  124. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  125. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Assembler Workshop and questions
  126. 2006-03-31 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  127. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  128. 2006-03-31 From: "mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  129. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Out of Print Books

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