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DATE 2006-03-30
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Linux supporters fiddle while OpenSSH burns
Written by Jem Matzan
Tuesday, 28 March 2006
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/239/1/

Once again, the OpenBSD project is asking for donations to keep its
operations in motion. It doesn't ask for much -- U.S. $100,000 (small
potatoes in the operating system development industry) -- yet it provides so
much to the software world. Even if you don't use OpenBSD, you're likely to
be benefiting from it unknowingly. If you're using Solaris, SCO UnixWare, OS
X, SUSE Linux, or Red Hat Enterprise Linux, chances are you're using the
OpenBSD-developed OpenSSH for secure shell access to remote machines. If so
many are using this software, why are so few paying for it? Official
responses (and non-responses) from Sun Microsystems, IBM, Novell, and Red
Hat are below, but if you're one of the freeloaders who hasn't contributed
to OpenBSD or OpenSSH, what's your excuse?

OpenSSH: you'll miss it when it's gone
"Bigger than OpenBSD, our big contribution is OpenSSH," OpenBSD project
leader Theo de Raadt told me in a 2004 interview. "It is now included in
pretty much every non-Windows operating system made. It is included in
network switches, in half of Cisco's products, and who knows where else. It
is used by everything from Arrecibo to the Greek Army to who knows where
else. And what have we gotten for it in return? Pretty much nothing at all."

While there are other, proprietary SSH implementations, OpenSSH is by far
the most widely used. And while the proprietary competition is charging $150
per workstation license, OpenSSH is charging nothing.

Other projects could theoretically fork OpenSSH, but shouldn't a network
communications program that has as much power as OpenSSH be developed by
programmers who live for greater software security? OpenSSH isn't some cheap
utility like telnet or BSD Mail -- it's the only secure way for most server
operating systems to securely communicate with a sysadmin's client terminal
over a TCP/IP connection. Even if you don't regularly use OpenSSH, a program
that you rely on (the scp command, for instance) may need OpenSSH to create
a secure tunnel over a network.

OpenSSH also achieves a more secure codebase and more security-related
features because the programmers who work on it also work on OpenBSD.

"People seem to think, 'OpenBSD is not what I run, so I don't need to help
them.' I worry that this is what holds people back from doing the right
thing, which is to fund OpenSSH, and thus OpenBSD will survive and improve,
and then any improvements in OpenBSD will drive improvements in OpenSSH.

"Like when OpenBSD got so much address space randomization and propolice,
but that magic day when we realized that every OpenSSH sshd process was
still an address-space-clone of the parent. That is because every connection
you make causes the parent sshd to fork, and this new process has the same
propolice cookie, the same address space layout, the same random stack gap
at the top, and even the same malloc layout. That is when we
re-architectured OpenSSH so that it instead does a fork + execve, so that
the new processes would be dissimilar to each other. That kind of approach
would never have come out of any other development group."

Some anti-BSD zealots have privately entreated OpenSSH programmers to split
OpenSSH from the OpenBSD project in order to protect it, but OpenBSD's
stewardship is not the issue. While funding for OpenBSD has dwindled below
critical levels, OpenSSH will not go down with the OpenBSD ship, so to
speak. The issue is that OpenSSH, regardless of which programming team
maintains stewardship of it and despite its critical importance to system
administration, is not being monetarily supported by the companies and users
that rely on it. Without full-time programmers working on it, OpenSSH's
legendary security could suffer.

All take, no give
Some of the OpenSSH freeloaders, like Apple Computer and The SCO Group, are
notorious for reaping financial rewards from selling open source software
bundled with their proprietary products. It's no surprise that both of these
corporations include OpenSSH in their operating systems without giving back
to the programmers who make it all happen, but what about companies that are
vocal in their support of open source software?

When asked what Novell would do if OpenSSH were no longer an option, and how
much the alternatives would cost, company representative Bruce Lowry had
this to say:

"As I know you're aware, Novell is an active and constructive member of the
open source community. We participate significantly in more then 30 open
source projects including AppArmor, Hula, Gnome, KDE, Mono, OCFS2,
openSUSE.org, Samba, YaST and XEN. We participate in many different roles,
in some cases sponsoring the whole project, in others employing key
maintainers or giving back enhancements and bugfixes to the community. We
acknowledge that openSSH is an important piece of our operating system. But
the SUSE Linux distro also includes around 1000 other open source projects."

"Instead of supporting projects with financial resources, our policy is to
give and share code. This is largely how the community works and this is
what our customers and users expect from us. Projects which think they need
more then code exchanges to survive have generally had to look at
establishing a business plan and structure to support long term viability.

"With regard to your specific questions, these are all speculative, so we
can't really reply concretely. If openSSH halted development, Novell would
evaulate next steps. It's possible that Novell and a consortium of Linux
vendors would agree to continue the work. We would cross that bridge when we
came to it. On question two, it's difficult to estimate to possible costs of
a project that is not currently planned. Successful open source projects are
very organic, and are driven by community and vendor interests. If work on
the openSSH project were to cease, it's likely that other community members
would step up and help keep the development going. It's impossible to guess
what Novell's role in a new openSSH project might be."

Since the release of Solaris 10, who has been a larger open source software
cheerleader than Sun Microsystems? I asked Sun representatives what they
would do if OpenSSH were to disappear. The only response I got was that
there are parts of Solaris that compete with OpenSSH, and that because of
this, the company would rather not comment further on the issue. Presumably
Sun is referring to SunSSH, an OpenSSH derivative included with Solaris,
though it's likely that the Sun no-commenters were not aware of SunSSH's
heritage.

Upon learning of Sun's competitive view of OpenSSH, Theo de Raadt told me,
"People who care about having the best SSH on their Solaris machine
immediately replace SunSSH with OpenSSH, because SunSSH is based on a 5 year
old version of OpenSSH. Even more scary, Sun disabled our privilege
separation security code for the pre-authentication phase (i.e. in the most
risky part of the software). SunSSH was heavily tweaked to support Trusted
Solaris, but in the process they totally demolished it."

International Business Machines (IBM) is also a public supporter of open
source software -- primarily GNU/Linux -- but are they all hat and no cattle
when it comes to supporting actual open source developers? IBM includes
OpenSSH in z/OS, AIX, and OS/400, which in turn control the company's most
expensive and powerful machines. But when pressed for comment on what they
would do in the event that OpenSSH should slow development, no one seemed to
have an answer for me. My questions were passed from employee to employee,
never finding someone who knew what OpenSSH was or what AIX and z/OS would
do without it. At the time of this article's publication, IBM did not have
any comments to offer. Perhaps they were too busy punting their customer
support complaints to the OpenSSH programmers:

"As a side note," said de Raadt on an OpenSSH mailing list, "earlier today
IBM Support actually sent an energy company with whom they have a
multi-million [dollar] support contract to our private development mailing
list saying we had to fix a customer bug. I was shown an extensive set of
IBM support emails with the customer where they were refusing to take
responsibility for the issue, and finally told their customer that OpenSSH
was responsible for fixing their problem. I say shame you, IBM, SHAME ON
YOU. You take their money and want us to make your customers happy."

Like IBM, Red Hat passed my questions around from desk to desk, eventually
telling me that they had no comment on what they would do if OpenSSH were to
cease development. Perhaps it's just too difficult a task to find an
engineer who can comment on one of the most important networking tools in
the operating system your company is selling. This could just be a
coincidental, collective PR failure by several companies that, for the most
part, generally have no trouble commenting on highly technical software
issues. Perhaps, though, there is more to it -- Sun, IBM, Red Hat, and
Novell all sell Linux-based operating systems that compete with OpenBSD. Do
they have an interest in watching OpenBSD suffer and fail, even if it means
losing OpenSSH in the process? Such an attitude could be the biggest case of
nose amputation the face of the operating system world has yet seen.

Other OpenBSD contributions
OpenBSD's contributions to the larger software world are not limited to
OpenSSH, and you don't have to use OpenBSD to benefit from them. Many of the
technologies developed for OpenBSD are ported to other operating systems,
such as the packet filter (pf), an advanced firewall framework. Both FreeBSD
and NetBSD include this OpenBSD-authored software in their base system. pf
is often combined with another OpenBSD creation, Common Address Redundancy
Protocol (CARP), for firewall failover protection.

Among OpenBSD's greatest contributions to programming are the strlcpy and
strlcat C libraries. These make the process of copying and combining strings
in C programs more secure. Since being incorporated into OpenBSD several
years ago, they have also been added to Solaris, NetBSD, FreeBSD, and OS X.

OpenBSD programmers also squash important bugs in ancillary software such as
X.org. In one recent example, OpenBSD helped discover and fix bugs in
X.org's pixmap library that had been there for ten years:

"The X.org bugs we fixed are indeed a good illustration of how the work we
do on OpenBSD benefits a larger community," said Mark Kettenis of the
OpenBSD project. "We were able to catch the bug because we now have a memory
allocator that is very unforgiving, and have it turned on by default. That
made many people see X11 crashing and eventually provided us with enough
clues to fix the bug. Other systems have a similar memory allocator, but
since it's not turned on by default, most people run without it. The
interesting thing about these particular bugs is that they don't disappear
when you use a more forgiving memory allocator; that would just make X11
crash less often. For desktop users, having X11 crash is just as annoying as
having the entire machine crash, so fixing these bugs is important even if
they wouldn't have an impact on security of the system.

"Once we find bugs, we usually go through our entire base system to fix
similar bugs. Since we have several other pieces of software in our base
systems that are also used on other operating systems (gcc, sendmail, perl,
apache, etc.), we fix bugs in those packages too. In most cases we send our
fixes to the maintainers of that software, so in the end everybody using the
software will get the fixes. And in many cases, even before they'd have
noticed the problem themselves."

How you can help
If the big corporations won't help support the software that they rely on,
perhaps it is up to the users to take action. So how can you help keep
OpenSSH and OpenBSD going? The easiest way is to make a donation to the
OpenSSH project (or, if you prefer, to OpenBSD). But if you want something
more than mere satisfaction, you might consider buying an OpenBSD CD set.
Aside from helping to support OpenSSH and OpenBSD development and the
general benefit to computer software security that the continued development
of these projects provides, it's also the best way to get one of the world's
most interesting operating systems onto your computer.




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  55. 2006-03-15 From: "mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  56. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  57. 2006-03-15 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  58. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was: Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments]
  59. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  60. 2006-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  61. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] Fwd: Multichannel News - Analysts
  62. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Healthcare Software News
  63. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was: Multichannel
  64. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:
  65. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:
  66. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:
  67. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article
  68. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  69. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A small marble beginning
  70. 2006-03-16 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Activity Planning, Journal Meeting
  71. 2006-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Meeting
  72. 2006-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MS Vs IBM
  73. 2006-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Feb 9-11?
  74. 2006-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: NYLXS Journal Meeting]
  75. 2006-03-17 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Meeting
  76. 2006-03-20 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Great Brooklyn Stuff
  77. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was: Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments]
  78. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was: Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments]
  79. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Reminder: Journal Meeting
  80. 2006-03-20 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where is everybody?
  81. 2006-03-20 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] EFF HR.1201 campaign
  82. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] EFF HR.1201 campaign
  83. 2006-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where is everybody?
  84. 2006-03-20 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where is everybody?
  85. 2006-03-21 From: "J.E. Cripps" <cycmn-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where is everybody?
  86. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ANNOUNCE: Leading Itanium Processor Architects to Keynote Gelato Conference
  87. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Grants
  88. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: RE: [Hardhats-members] Open source and accessibility]
  89. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Hardhats-members] Mac,m Linux, CrossOver and stuff (was: Open
  90. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A step above Slashdot
  91. 2006-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Study and the consequences of the DMCA
  92. 2006-03-21 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A step above Slashdot
  93. 2006-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: CareerBuilder.com: DATA ENTRY & SCANNER PRO - Needed ASAP]
  94. 2006-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A step above Slashdot
  95. 2006-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Hardhats-members] Mac,m Linux, CrossOver and stuff (was: Ope
  96. 2006-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Publication
  97. 2006-03-23 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Workshop on NYS Grant Opportunities
  98. 2006-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Penguin Day?
  99. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Shared Parenting Round 2 plus New Column: Are
  100. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Fwd: Shared Parenting Round 2 plus New Column: Are American
  101. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Inquiry from a Disable IT Worker Looking for Some Insight- I
  102. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Inquiry from a Disable IT Worker Looking for Some Insight- I
  103. 2006-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] gtk-gnuetella
  104. 2006-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BEING TAXED OUT OF N.Y.
  105. 2006-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free (as in Software) Drugs
  106. 2006-03-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Tale of Complete Stupidity and Its True! Oklahoma city threa tens
  107. 2006-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Cancelled Comics Cavalcade
  108. 2006-03-29 MLR<mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Crazy Cat in Conn. Ambushes the Avon Lady
  109. 2006-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: new study on Linux management being released tomorrow ...]
  110. 2006-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Crazy Cat in Conn. Ambushes the Avon Lady
  111. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] touring Brooklyn
  112. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Cancelled Comics Cavalcade
  113. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wynkoop Rewriting History
  114. 2006-03-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux supporters fiddle while OpenSSH burns
  115. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [501techclub-ny] Funding opportunity: Third Wave Foundation
  116. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Adam Kosmin has been a star!
  117. 2006-03-30 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  118. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  119. 2006-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jobs
  120. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Parental Rights in Albany
  121. 2006-03-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] We Are Not Alone: Bristol City Council Converts 5,500 desktops to
  122. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] We Are Not Alone: Bristol City Council
  123. 2006-03-31 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  124. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  125. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Assembler Workshop and questions
  126. 2006-03-31 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  127. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  128. 2006-03-31 From: "mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  129. 2006-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Out of Print Books

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