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DATE 2007-12-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2007-12-11
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use stikes out again
Looks like the P2P conspiracy theories won’t get their day in court

LimeWire’s antitrust countersuit was thrown out last week after a
federal judge granted the RIAA’s motion to dismiss claims against
the company.

Many of the claims were dismissed “without prejudice,” which would
allow LimeWire’s parent company, Lime Group LLC, to file new lawsuits
under state courts.

Lime Group listed a wide variety of complaints against record labels and
the music industry, with the overall theme being that industry execs
conspired against LimeWire and others using a variety of schemes to
undermine P2P and P2P companies’ efforts to legitimate themselves.

Some of these complaints include:

* Claims that RIAA labels banded together to exclusively support
P2P client iMesh and its acoustic fingerprinting technology, while
simultaneously refusing to support a similar hash-based system
employed by LimeWire; when Lime Group sought the necessary hashes
to employ their technology, RIAA refused, instead demanding that
LimeWire acquire the rights to use iMesh’s fingerprinting tech.
* Further, if LimeWire insisted on using its hashing technology,
it would instead have to license a similar hash-based filtering
system from Altnet. * Music industry joint ventures MusicNet and
pressplay – two services that PC World dubbed “25 Worst Tech
Products of all Time” due to “stunningly brain-dead features”
– were nothing more than conduits for price-fixing and market
manipulation. (pressplay eventually became Napster 2.0 after its
2005 acquisition by Roxio.) * General claims of “unfair business
practices,” including threatening P2P users with litigation,
pressuring artists not to license works to P2P companies, and false
accusing LimeWire of promoting child pornography and piracy, among
other things.

In his ruling, U.S. District Judge Gerald Lynch wrote that most of Lime
Group’s claims “fail to allege an adverse effect on competition
market-wide.” Additionally, Lynch noted that record labels presented
over 100gb of data totaling 29 million pages worth of information for
their defense, while LimeWire failed to produce “any additional facts
it would plead that would enable it … to demonstrate the existence of
a conspiracy.”

Lime Group’s countersuit was filed in response to the RIAA’s lawsuit
against the P2P client, which was launched just days after its $100
million legal victory over Kazaa.

RIAA executives applauded Lynch’s ruling, noting that Lime Group’s
countersuit was nothing but a diversionary tactic designed to “take
attention away from … [the] massive infringement that is the real
focus of this case.”

--
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http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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  1. 2007-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Try to see if this works
  2. 2007-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: New Website updates and Next Meeting
  3. 2007-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Website updates and Next Meeting
  4. 2007-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm sick of Procmail
  5. 2007-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Paper Work
  6. 2007-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Apache2 (SUSE-SA:2007:061)]
  7. 2007-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Linux kernel (SUSE-SA:2007:064)]
  8. 2007-12-05 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm sick of Procmail
  9. 2007-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm sick of Procmail
  10. 2007-12-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm sick of Procmail
  11. 2007-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Chanukah Party/ NYLXS Social Event/Installfest
  12. 2007-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ron-at-vnetworx.net: [nylug-talk] NYLUG & The NY Technical Community Holiday Party December 13, 6:30-8:30PM]
  13. 2007-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Chanukah Party/ NYLXS Social Event/Installfest
  14. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] archive test
  15. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] archive test
  16. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Archive - Completed
  17. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] WEDNESDAY Dec. 12th: NYLUG presents Alec Istomin from SWSoft on OpenVirtuozzo, Virtuozzo, Parallels and more]
  18. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Linux Desktop
  19. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Website Updates
  20. 2007-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?
  21. 2007-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Website Updates
  22. 2007-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Marco
  23. 2007-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest today
  24. 2007-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] TIme to get a Nokia N810
  25. 2007-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] InstallFest - Thanx
  26. 2007-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthy GNU News
  27. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?
  28. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?
  29. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] CompUSA is gone
  30. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use stikes out again
  31. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Netflix is TOOO Big
  32. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Music is a crime
  33. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Paper Work
  34. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [noreply-at-lists.linuxjournal.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - Dec. 12, 2007]
  35. 2007-12-12 archive <archive-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?]
  36. 2007-12-12 archive <archive-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?]
  37. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  38. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Audacity on 10.2
  39. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Audacity on 10.2
  40. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bigdaddyj-at-gmail.com: Re: [MLUG] Re: bash pattern matching]
  41. 2007-12-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  42. 2007-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  43. 2007-12-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  44. 2007-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  45. 2007-12-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  46. 2007-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [m06malho-at-council.nyc.gov: Tech in Govt Oversight Hearing Tomorrow - NYCHA Call Center Expansion]
  47. 2007-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [fmiller-at-lightlink.com: [opensuse] FREE SOFTWARE GROUP FILES COPYRIGHT SUIT AGAINST VERIZON]
  48. 2007-12-14 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn community center.
  49. 2007-12-14 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Brooklyn community center.
  50. 2007-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Brooklyn community center.
  51. 2007-12-14 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Brooklyn community center.
  52. 2007-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Gnome and Microsoft
  53. 2007-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Gnome and Microsoft
  54. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stupid Add Campaign by a local web site
  55. 2007-12-16 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stupid Add Campaign by a local web site
  56. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stupid Add Campaign by a local web site
  57. 2007-12-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  58. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  59. 2007-12-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  60. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  61. 2007-12-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  62. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Business Meeting
  63. 2007-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Healthcare and IT
  64. 2007-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [marco-at-digifreedom.net: Wanted: Free Software resources for all families and schools]
  65. 2007-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [pshapiro-at-his.com: [Dclug] impressions of Eee PC from public library viewpoint]
  66. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jarod-at-wilsonet.com: Re: New York Stock Exchange moves to Linux]
  67. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.10 (SUSE-SA:2007:066)]
  68. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Summary Report SUSE-SR:2007:025]
  69. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Acts of Violence in the Universe - News You Might Have Missed
  70. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] HP 5Si]
  71. 2007-12-18 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NY and ODF or OOXML
  72. 2007-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NY and ODF or OOXML
  73. 2007-12-19 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NY and ODF or OOXML
  74. 2007-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tonight 6:30PM
  75. 2007-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Corperate Spying OK for Copyright
  76. 2007-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ms-EU Anti-Trust results
  77. 2007-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] check this out
  78. 2007-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [gaf-at-blu.org: Re: SCO has been delisted by NASDAQ]
  79. 2007-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OLPC
  80. 2007-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT
  81. 2007-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mike's Children Workshop
  82. 2007-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-mysql.com: MySQL Newsletter: December 2007]

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