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|SUBJECT ||Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:23:52 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Ron Guerin wrote:
> Ruben Safir wrote:
> > On 11/16/2011 05:48 PM, Ron Guerin wrote:
> > eh
> > I'm not prevey to any inside information or anything that is happening,
> > but it seems to me without a clear line of leadership, and without a
> > means to arbitrate differences, this is going to happen. What saved our
> > ass from Jay and Bret was the sound charter and specific rules for power
> > sharing and arbitration, which tweedle dumb and tweedle-dee did their
> > very best to shake to the ground.
> I just want to make sure it's in the record permanently, that Brian
> Gupta and the other members of the Gang of Four led a coup against NYLUG
> for their own personal benefit. I don't trust the NYLUG archives will
> be reliable on this matter.
> - Ron
I can tell you right now, Ron, that this guy Brian is a complete ASS.
That leaves Peter, Jim,and Sunny, who may or may not be an ass, I don't
know how he has grown.
But here is the thing. NYLUG had no incorperation because JIM didn't
want it, going ALL the way back. AND god knows, Peter, who I love,
hasn't been involved with NYLUG for a long time to my knowledge.
The reason for the lack of bylaws was because Jim didn't want to be
restricted by them. So frankly, they can say whatever they want, and do
whatever they want because there is no RULES. That is why when I
created NYLXS I made very explicit rules and handbook designed to
promote a disperment and empowerment of membership and a clear line of
authoirty and voting.
If they chose to right up a charter on the Spring Street Station IRT
platform and use it for incorperation, I don't think there is a damn
thing anyone can do. I knew that 10 years ago, and it is still true.
If your really pissed, we can use some help with NYLXS and at least you
know you can never be squeezed out.
Voting Members pay $40 and give 75 hours a year voluntering time.
Members vote the board. The board creates commitees. Committeees run
the organization...or so it is in theory.