|FROM ||Ruben Safir
|SUBJECT ||Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:28:33 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:23:52AM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Ron Guerin wrote:
> > Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > On 11/16/2011 05:48 PM, Ron Guerin wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > > eh
> > >
> > > I'm not prevey to any inside information or anything that is happening,
> > > but it seems to me without a clear line of leadership, and without a
> > > means to arbitrate differences, this is going to happen. What saved our
> > > ass from Jay and Bret was the sound charter and specific rules for power
> > > sharing and arbitration, which tweedle dumb and tweedle-dee did their
> > > very best to shake to the ground.
> > I just want to make sure it's in the record permanently, that Brian
> > Gupta and the other members of the Gang of Four led a coup against NYLUG
> > for their own personal benefit. I don't trust the NYLUG archives will
> > be reliable on this matter.
> > - Ron
> I can tell you right now, Ron, that this guy Brian is a complete ASS.
> That leaves Peter, Jim,and Sunny, who may or may not be an ass, I don't
> know how he has grown.
> But here is the thing. NYLUG had no incorperation because JIM didn't
> want it, going ALL the way back. AND god knows, Peter, who I love,
> hasn't been involved with NYLUG for a long time to my knowledge.
Also, if I had to do it over again, there would be a Board of Directors
non-voting and permanent to oversea finances and legal fiduciary
intersts, but not involved in day to day activities, and the seperate
Board of Membership with a President etc
directly responsible for activities and voted for by membership.
> The reason for the lack of bylaws was because Jim didn't want to be
> restricted by them. So frankly, they can say whatever they want, and do
> whatever they want because there is no RULES. That is why when I
> created NYLXS I made very explicit rules and handbook designed to
> promote a disperment and empowerment of membership and a clear line of
> authoirty and voting.
> If they chose to right up a charter on the Spring Street Station IRT
> platform and use it for incorperation, I don't think there is a damn
> thing anyone can do. I knew that 10 years ago, and it is still true.
> If your really pissed, we can use some help with NYLXS and at least you
> know you can never be squeezed out.
> Voting Members pay $40 and give 75 hours a year voluntering time.
> Members vote the board. The board creates commitees. Committeees run
> the organization...or so it is in theory.