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DATE 2011-11-01

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DATE 2011-11-18
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
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From: Ruben Safir
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:23:52AM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Ron Guerin wrote:
> > Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > On 11/16/2011 05:48 PM, Ron Guerin wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > > eh
> > >
> > > I'm not prevey to any inside information or anything that is happening,
> > > but it seems to me without a clear line of leadership, and without a
> > > means to arbitrate differences, this is going to happen. What saved our
> > > ass from Jay and Bret was the sound charter and specific rules for power
> > > sharing and arbitration, which tweedle dumb and tweedle-dee did their
> > > very best to shake to the ground.
> >
> > I just want to make sure it's in the record permanently, that Brian
> > Gupta and the other members of the Gang of Four led a coup against NYLUG
> > for their own personal benefit. I don't trust the NYLUG archives will
> > be reliable on this matter.
> >
> > - Ron
>
>
> I can tell you right now, Ron, that this guy Brian is a complete ASS.
> That leaves Peter, Jim,and Sunny, who may or may not be an ass, I don't
> know how he has grown.
>
> But here is the thing. NYLUG had no incorperation because JIM didn't
> want it, going ALL the way back. AND god knows, Peter, who I love,
> hasn't been involved with NYLUG for a long time to my knowledge.


Also, if I had to do it over again, there would be a Board of Directors
non-voting and permanent to oversea finances and legal fiduciary
intersts, but not involved in day to day activities, and the seperate
Board of Membership with a President etc
directly responsible for activities and voted for by membership.




>
> The reason for the lack of bylaws was because Jim didn't want to be
> restricted by them. So frankly, they can say whatever they want, and do
> whatever they want because there is no RULES. That is why when I
> created NYLXS I made very explicit rules and handbook designed to
> promote a disperment and empowerment of membership and a clear line of
> authoirty and voting.
>
> If they chose to right up a charter on the Spring Street Station IRT
> platform and use it for incorperation, I don't think there is a damn
> thing anyone can do. I knew that 10 years ago, and it is still true.
>
> If your really pissed, we can use some help with NYLXS and at least you
> know you can never be squeezed out.
>
> Voting Members pay $40 and give 75 hours a year voluntering time.
> Members vote the board. The board creates commitees. Committeees run
> the organization...or so it is in theory.
>
> Ruben

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  2. 2011-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Killing the Fucking Internet but GOOD part
  3. 2011-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Party of Pirates!
  4. 2011-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Wars - Killing Culture?
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  8. 2011-11-01 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-announce] Become a Director of
  9. 2011-11-01 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-announce] Become a Director of
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  11. 2011-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-announce] Become a Director of
  12. 2011-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congressional Response - Killing the internet II
  13. 2011-11-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  14. 2011-11-06 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  15. 2011-11-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  16. 2011-11-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  17. 2011-11-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  18. 2011-11-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  19. 2011-11-07 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  20. 2011-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  21. 2011-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  22. 2011-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  23. 2011-11-07 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  24. 2011-11-08 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  25. 2011-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest this Sunday
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  29. 2011-11-11 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest this Sunday
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  33. 2011-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Wars heat up
  34. 2011-11-16 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Wars heat up
  35. 2011-11-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  36. 2011-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Copyright Wars heat up
  37. 2011-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Copyright Wars heat up
  38. 2011-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  39. 2011-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  40. 2011-11-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  41. 2011-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  42. 2011-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
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  45. 2011-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  46. 2011-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  47. 2011-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  48. 2011-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest this Sunday
  49. 2011-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest this Sunday
  50. 2011-11-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  51. 2011-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  52. 2011-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Incorporation update.]
  53. 2011-11-18 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something that might be interesting to learn
  54. 2011-11-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something that might be interesting to learn
  55. 2011-11-21 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something that might be interesting to learn
  56. 2011-11-21 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something that might be interesting to learn
  57. 2011-11-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IDE drive reading
  58. 2011-11-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Fwd: Reply from Senator Gillibrand
  59. 2011-11-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Reply from Senator Gillibrand
  60. 2011-11-27 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Reply from Senator Gillibrand
  61. 2011-11-27 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Reply from Senator Gillibrand
  62. 2011-11-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Reply from Senator Gillibrand
  63. 2011-11-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] The Kill the Fucking Internet but Good Act
  64. 2011-11-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] The Kill the Fucking Internet but Good Act

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