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DATE 2013-05-29
FROM einker
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
From owner-hangout-outgoing-at-mrbrklyn.com Wed May 29 14:12:31 2013
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Hey! I thought Flying Monkeys from Hell ruled but i stand corrected ....
Definitely Flying Pigs with Liquid Nitrogen are Best!
Thanks Rob!


On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

> Recently a vendor who makes Linux appliances who was trying to sell them
> to my company told me something shocking and whats even more shocking is
> its true.
> First some background for the last couple of years Ive been working on a
> pure Perl API for CIM (Common Information Model ) an old but very useful
> standard written by the DMTF that in many ways makes SNMP look like a
> ridiculous relic. CIM is the parent protocol for a lot of other
> standardized protocols for managing and monitoring systems, virtual
> machines, storage infrastructures, etc. Some of the most common
> implementations of it are SBLIM on GNU Linux, SMI-S on storage devices, the
> VMware vSphere APIs, Dell OpenManage, HP System Insight Manager, WMI on
> Windows, and many more.
>
> Now to the point. Well it seams Microsoft decided to drop a new bomb I've
> never seen from them before. Microsoft wrote a new WBEM (Web Based
> Enterprise Management) server for Windows Server 2012 which is the server
> side component of the CIM standard to serve up WMI. the shocking part is
> they made it so it compiles under Linux and Unix and released the code
> under the Apache 2 license.
>
> No this is not a joke its real, Microsoft is releasing open source
> software!
>
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2012/06/28/open-management-infrastructure.aspx
>
> Ive been speculating for a few years now that they might start doing this
> based on the fact that they let the Samba core developers see the windows
> source code and all of their patents after the samba developers signing
> NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) and they did a similar thing with
> Microsoft Exchange and the core developers of Open Change (Open Change is
> an open source clone of Microsoft Exchange which is still not complete yet
> but its getting there). Still this is shocking and is going to
> significantly change the software and OS landscape, but I'm honestly just
> not sure how yet. Is It going to be a good thing , a bad thing ? I don't
> know! Now to be clear its open source not free speech software so they are
> still protecting their sales, but still its unprecedented for Microsoft,
> the company whos co-founder (You know the one) came up with the concept of
> software licenses in the first place to prevent users from sharing software
> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newsletters/homebrew/V2_01/gatesletter.html.
>
>
> The only thing I can think of that could explain this a large squadren of
> pigs flew into Hell and bomed it with liquid nitrogen till it froze.
>



--
Regards,

Evan M. Inker

--047d7b3a98ae37e35504dddf533e
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey! I thought Flying Monkeys from Hell ruled but i s=
tand corrected .... Definitely Flying Pigs with Liquid Nitrogen are Best!r>
Thanks Rob!


=3D"gmail_quote">
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Paul Robert Marino <=
prmarino1-at-gmail.co=
m
>
wrote:
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Recently a vendor who makes Linux=
appliances who was trying to sell them to my company told me something sho=
cking and whats even more shocking is its true.
First some background fo=
r the last couple of years Ive been working on a pure Perl API for CIM (Com=
mon Information Model ) an old but very useful standard written by the DMTF=
that in many ways makes SNMP look like a ridiculous relic. CIM is the pare=
nt protocol for a lot of other standardized protocols for managing and moni=
toring systems, virtual machines, storage infrastructures, etc. Some of the=
most common implementations of it are SBLIM on GNU Linux, SMI-S on storage=
devices, the VMware vSphere APIs, Dell OpenManage, HP System Insight Manag=
er, WMI on Windows, and many more.



Now to the point. Well it seams Microsoft decided to drop a=
new bomb I've never seen from them before. Microsoft wrote a new WBEM =
(Web Based Enterprise Management) server for Windows Server 2012 which is t=
he server side component of the CIM standard to serve up WMI. the shocking =
part is they made it so it compiles under Linux and Unix and released the c=
ode under the Apache 2 license.



No this is not a joke its real, Microsoft is releasing open sourc=
e software!
2012/06/28/open-management-infrastructure.aspx" target=3D"_blank">http://bl=
ogs.technet.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2012/06/28/open-management-infrastr=
ucture.aspx




Ive been speculating for a few years now that they might start do=
ing this based on the fact that they let the Samba core developers see the =
windows source code and all of their patents after the samba developers sig=
ning NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) and they did a similar thing with=
Microsoft Exchange and the core developers of Open Change (Open Change is =
an open source clone of=A0 Microsoft Exchange which is still not complete y=
et but its getting there). Still this is shocking and is going to significa=
ntly change the software and OS landscape, but I'm honestly just not su=
re how yet. Is It going to be a good thing , a bad thing ? I don't know=
! Now to be clear its open source not free speech software so they are stil=
l protecting their sales, but still its unprecedented for Microsoft, the co=
mpany whos co-founder (You know the one) came up with the concept of softwa=
re licenses in the first place to prevent users from sharing software ef=3D"http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newsletters/homebrew/V2_01/gatesl=
etter.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newslette=
rs/homebrew/V2_01/gatesletter.html
.




The only thing I can think of that could explain this a large=
squadren of pigs flew into Hell and bomed it with liquid nitrogen till it =
froze.




--
Regards,

Evan M=
. Inker


--047d7b3a98ae37e35504dddf533e--

--047d7b3a98ae37e35504dddf533e
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hey! I thought Flying Monkeys from Hell ruled but i stand corrected ....
Definitely Flying Pigs with Liquid Nitrogen are Best!
Thanks Rob!


On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

> Recently a vendor who makes Linux appliances who was trying to sell them
> to my company told me something shocking and whats even more shocking is
> its true.
> First some background for the last couple of years Ive been working on a
> pure Perl API for CIM (Common Information Model ) an old but very useful
> standard written by the DMTF that in many ways makes SNMP look like a
> ridiculous relic. CIM is the parent protocol for a lot of other
> standardized protocols for managing and monitoring systems, virtual
> machines, storage infrastructures, etc. Some of the most common
> implementations of it are SBLIM on GNU Linux, SMI-S on storage devices, the
> VMware vSphere APIs, Dell OpenManage, HP System Insight Manager, WMI on
> Windows, and many more.
>
> Now to the point. Well it seams Microsoft decided to drop a new bomb I've
> never seen from them before. Microsoft wrote a new WBEM (Web Based
> Enterprise Management) server for Windows Server 2012 which is the server
> side component of the CIM standard to serve up WMI. the shocking part is
> they made it so it compiles under Linux and Unix and released the code
> under the Apache 2 license.
>
> No this is not a joke its real, Microsoft is releasing open source
> software!
>
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2012/06/28/open-management-infrastructure.aspx
>
> Ive been speculating for a few years now that they might start doing this
> based on the fact that they let the Samba core developers see the windows
> source code and all of their patents after the samba developers signing
> NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) and they did a similar thing with
> Microsoft Exchange and the core developers of Open Change (Open Change is
> an open source clone of Microsoft Exchange which is still not complete yet
> but its getting there). Still this is shocking and is going to
> significantly change the software and OS landscape, but I'm honestly just
> not sure how yet. Is It going to be a good thing , a bad thing ? I don't
> know! Now to be clear its open source not free speech software so they are
> still protecting their sales, but still its unprecedented for Microsoft,
> the company whos co-founder (You know the one) came up with the concept of
> software licenses in the first place to prevent users from sharing software
> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newsletters/homebrew/V2_01/gatesletter.html.
>
>
> The only thing I can think of that could explain this a large squadren of
> pigs flew into Hell and bomed it with liquid nitrogen till it froze.
>



--
Regards,

Evan M. Inker

--047d7b3a98ae37e35504dddf533e
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey! I thought Flying Monkeys from Hell ruled but i s=
tand corrected .... Definitely Flying Pigs with Liquid Nitrogen are Best!r>
Thanks Rob!


=3D"gmail_quote">
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Paul Robert Marino <=
prmarino1-at-gmail.co=
m
>
wrote:
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Recently a vendor who makes Linux=
appliances who was trying to sell them to my company told me something sho=
cking and whats even more shocking is its true.
First some background fo=
r the last couple of years Ive been working on a pure Perl API for CIM (Com=
mon Information Model ) an old but very useful standard written by the DMTF=
that in many ways makes SNMP look like a ridiculous relic. CIM is the pare=
nt protocol for a lot of other standardized protocols for managing and moni=
toring systems, virtual machines, storage infrastructures, etc. Some of the=
most common implementations of it are SBLIM on GNU Linux, SMI-S on storage=
devices, the VMware vSphere APIs, Dell OpenManage, HP System Insight Manag=
er, WMI on Windows, and many more.



Now to the point. Well it seams Microsoft decided to drop a=
new bomb I've never seen from them before. Microsoft wrote a new WBEM =
(Web Based Enterprise Management) server for Windows Server 2012 which is t=
he server side component of the CIM standard to serve up WMI. the shocking =
part is they made it so it compiles under Linux and Unix and released the c=
ode under the Apache 2 license.



No this is not a joke its real, Microsoft is releasing open sourc=
e software!
2012/06/28/open-management-infrastructure.aspx" target=3D"_blank">http://bl=
ogs.technet.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2012/06/28/open-management-infrastr=
ucture.aspx




Ive been speculating for a few years now that they might start do=
ing this based on the fact that they let the Samba core developers see the =
windows source code and all of their patents after the samba developers sig=
ning NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) and they did a similar thing with=
Microsoft Exchange and the core developers of Open Change (Open Change is =
an open source clone of=A0 Microsoft Exchange which is still not complete y=
et but its getting there). Still this is shocking and is going to significa=
ntly change the software and OS landscape, but I'm honestly just not su=
re how yet. Is It going to be a good thing , a bad thing ? I don't know=
! Now to be clear its open source not free speech software so they are stil=
l protecting their sales, but still its unprecedented for Microsoft, the co=
mpany whos co-founder (You know the one) came up with the concept of softwa=
re licenses in the first place to prevent users from sharing software ef=3D"http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newsletters/homebrew/V2_01/gatesl=
etter.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newslette=
rs/homebrew/V2_01/gatesletter.html
.




The only thing I can think of that could explain this a large=
squadren of pigs flew into Hell and bomed it with liquid nitrogen till it =
froze.




--
Regards,

Evan M=
. Inker


--047d7b3a98ae37e35504dddf533e--

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  36. 2013-05-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  37. 2013-05-09 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  38. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linux devices
  39. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  40. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  41. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 12 years too late and not so impressive
  42. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Die Vorz?ge einer Teilnahme an einem SEO Kurs
  43. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Private Gun Buyers Intercept Folks At Police Buyback Program
  44. 2013-05-10 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Age Discrimination in the Tech World.... the real deal
  45. 2013-05-10 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 12 years too late and not so impressive
  46. 2013-05-11 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 12 years too late and not so impressive
  47. 2013-05-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cannon Camera Free Software
  48. 2013-05-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  49. 2013-05-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: $25 for 5-9pm Half Day Afternoon Fishing Trip
  50. 2013-05-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: nixCraft Linux / UNIX Blog Newsletter
  51. 2013-05-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tech Jobs overseas
  52. 2013-05-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Drugs are good
  53. 2013-05-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  54. 2013-05-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  55. 2013-05-18 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  56. 2013-05-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ending the extended adulesence
  57. 2013-05-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Rocket Brigrade - At the ready Sir!
  58. 2013-05-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [edisoncareerfair-at-ncfairs.com: Edison Job Fair - Get Company List]
  59. 2013-05-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  60. 2013-05-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  61. 2013-05-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  62. 2013-05-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  63. 2013-05-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where coding and science collide
  64. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [edisoncareerfair-at-ncfairs.com: Edison Job Fair - Get Company List]
  65. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  66. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  67. 2013-05-27 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  68. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gorilla Marketing and B&H
  69. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  70. 2013-05-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  71. 2013-05-29 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  72. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  73. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  74. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  75. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  76. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  77. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: NTEN Connect: NPTech in the Cloud - Plus
  78. 2013-05-29 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  79. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] summer jobs
  80. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] summer jobs
  81. 2013-05-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] continued retailed spying
  82. 2013-05-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  83. 2013-05-30 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  84. 2013-05-30 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  85. 2013-05-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] cellphone technology is ....

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