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DATE 2016-11-06
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
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On 11/05/2016 08:04 PM, Christopher League wrote:
> FFS. You're not really selling me on C++ here... :-P
>
> I always want to dig right in to solving the problem as quickly as
> possible, and then refactor later once I know what's what. IMO, writing
> templates, getters, setters, destructors, const, etc delays the actual
> understanding. Python and Haskell let me approach problems the way I
> want. C++ and Java do not.


Aside from that, the code you wrote, for me is incomprehensible. It
looks like a Jackson Pollack painting to me, and the Functional
programming languages have always had that affect on me. You tell
LISPers this all the time and they just don't listen. The languages are
really not human friendly. Python is a little better, and god knows
Guido made a ton of money on it, and drinks fancy scotch. It is already
solved in Python and I sent a link for that a week ago. I'm going to
build this out in C++, master the tools and language again, this time
with a genuine problem and leave the thesis with a usable code base that
is flexible, portable and easy to use for the non-computer researcher.
That is the complexity your seeing. I don't need templates. I could
just lift a tree from the libraries, and write this in a quick C program
in a single file with C structs. I'm sure BOOST has one or two. But I
want to build reusable code, which a comprehensive API for researchers.

And your forgetting that I'll need hooks for R and CLIPS and possibly a
database. Can this be done in Haskel, maybe. I'm not concerned about
it.

This argument has been going on for 50 years. It will go on for another
50 years, and everytime the functional programming languages are dusted
in practical coding design and relegated to specialized utilities.

Feel good that long after I'm dead, you will still be alive and
advocating functional programming to a younger more eager generation,
amusing the artificial intelligence written in C and C++ allows them to.

I've gone through dozens of scripting languages already. I want to
master c++ and swim with the big boys.

This is not to say I'm opposed to learning Haskel. If you want, I have
to take a special project next semester since they seemed to have ran
out of classes for me. I wanted to take Unix programming, but they
aren't offering it. We can do a special topic in Haskell if you want.

We have sample data for 400 characteristics, and over 80 species of
Tyrannosaurs. This algorithm doesn't even address the main problem of
determining species maps that can be tested in the fitch method.

Ruben



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  1. 2016-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] how is it indexing in cuda
  2. 2016-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] not adequately speced of explained
  3. 2016-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] how is it indexing in cuda
  4. 2016-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] not adequately speced of explained
  5. 2016-11-02 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] Fitch Algorithm - C++
  6. 2016-11-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Fitch Algorithm - C++
  7. 2016-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] how is it indexing in cuda
  8. 2016-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fitch Algorithm - C++
  9. 2016-11-02 IEEE Computer Society <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Learn] Hear Google's John Martinis Take on Quantum Computing at
  10. 2016-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] opencl
  11. 2016-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] scheduled for tommorw
  12. 2016-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] threads tutorial
  13. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Fitch Algorithm - C++
  14. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Fitch Algorithm - C++
  15. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Fitch Algorithm - C++
  16. 2016-11-03 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] huffman code
  17. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] huffman code
  18. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] huffman code
  19. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fitch algorithm from the beginning
  20. 2016-11-03 From: <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Learn] huffman code
  21. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Phenology meeting
  22. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] relevant hackathon
  23. 2016-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] relevant hackathon
  24. 2016-11-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] huffman code
  25. 2016-11-04 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Subject: [Learn] Fitch/Sankoff
  26. 2016-11-05 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  27. 2016-11-05 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Re: const T vs T const
  28. 2016-11-05 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Template Library files and Header linking troubles
  29. 2016-11-05 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  30. 2016-11-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  31. 2016-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  32. 2016-11-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  33. 2016-11-06 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  34. 2016-11-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  35. 2016-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  36. 2016-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
  37. 2016-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] GNU Parallel 20161022 ('Matthew') released [stable]
  38. 2016-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] templates and ostream for future reference
  39. 2016-11-08 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] C++ signature ambiguity
  40. 2016-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] C++ signature ambiguity
  41. 2016-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] C++ signature ambiguity
  42. 2016-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Invitation: Phylogeny meeting -at- Weekly from 10:15 to
  43. 2016-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: [nylug-talk] RSVP open: Wed Nov 16,
  44. 2016-11-09 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  45. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  46. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  47. 2016-11-09 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  48. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] mergesort tutorial
  49. 2016-11-09 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] mergesort tutorial
  50. 2016-11-09 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] namespace and external files confusion
  51. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] namespace and external files confusion
  52. 2016-11-09 From: "Carlos R. Mafra" <crmafra-at-gmail.com> Re: [Learn] Question about a small change
  53. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] =?utf-8?q?C++_call_of_overloaded_=E2=80=98track=28int*=26?=
  54. 2016-11-09 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: lost arguments
  55. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: [dinosaur] Dating origins of dinosaurs,
  56. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  57. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] mergesort tutorial
  58. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] namespace and external files confusion
  59. 2016-11-10 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  60. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  61. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  62. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  63. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] [Hangout-NYLXS] mergesort tutorial
  64. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: [Hangout-NYLXS] ease your mind- everything in the
  65. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: [Hangout-NYLXS] R Programming Workshop
  66. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Paleocast phenogenetic tree building
  67. 2016-11-11 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  68. 2016-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] HW of mergesort in parallel
  69. 2016-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] merge sort in parallel assignment
  70. 2016-11-14 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] merge sort in parallel assignment
  71. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] merge sort in parallel assignment
  72. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  73. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] CUDA and video
  74. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] PNG Graphic formats and CRCs
  75. 2016-11-15 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: PNG coding
  76. 2016-11-15 ruben safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: PNG Coding
  77. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Fwd: lost arguments
  78. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] relevant hackathon
  79. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] C++ Workshop Announcement
  80. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Re: ref use
  81. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] ref use
  82. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] why use a reference wrapper int his example
  83. 2016-11-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] [Hangout-NYLXS] at K&R now
  84. 2016-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: PNG Coding
  85. 2016-11-18 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] C++ workshop and usenet responses
  86. 2016-11-19 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: ref use
  87. 2016-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] when is the constructor called for an object
  88. 2016-11-21 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: creating a binary tree
  89. 2016-11-21 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: hidden static
  90. 2016-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: ISBI 2017 Call for Abstracts and Non-Author
  91. 2016-11-21 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: PNG coding
  92. 2016-11-21 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Re: the new {} syntax
  93. 2016-11-21 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: when is the constructor called for an object
  94. 2016-11-21 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: when is the constructor called for an object
  95. 2016-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: [dinosaur] Eoconfuciusornis feather keratin and
  96. 2016-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] look what I found
  97. 2016-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Cuccuency book
  98. 2016-11-22 ruben safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Learn] declare a func or call an object
  99. 2016-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Re: Using CLIPS as a library
  100. 2016-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Simple C++11 Wrapper for CLIPS 6.30
  101. 2016-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Parrelel Programming HW2 with maxpath
  102. 2016-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] great research news for big data
  103. 2016-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] mapping algorithms
  104. 2016-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Todays meeting
  105. 2016-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: [dinosaur] Flightless theropod phylogenetic variation
  106. 2016-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Note to self for Thursday
  107. 2016-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fitch etc
  108. 2016-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Note to self for Thursday
  109. 2016-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] operator<<() overloading details and friend
  110. 2016-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] 130 year old feathers analysis
  111. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: ACM/SPEC ICPE 2017 - Call for Tutorial Proposals
  112. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: ACM/SPEC ICPE 2017 - Call for Workshop Proposals
  113. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: CfP 22nd Conf. Reliable Software Technologies,
  114. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Seeking contributors for psyche-c
  115. 2016-11-29 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] Look at this exciting output by my test program
  116. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Look at this exciting output by my test program
  117. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Look at this exciting output by my test program
  118. 2016-11-29 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] Quantum Entanglement
  119. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Quantum Entanglement
  120. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Here is the paper I was talking out
  121. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Look at this exciting output by my test program
  122. 2016-11-29 nylxs <mrbrklyn-at-optonline.net> Subject: [Learn] Look at this exciting output by my test program
  123. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Quantum Entanglement
  124. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] The Death of PBS
  125. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] witmer lab ohio and 3d imaging
  126. 2016-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] phylogenetic crawler

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