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| DATE | 2016-11-06 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Learn] Fwd: templates within templates
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On 11/05/2016 08:04 PM, Christopher League wrote:
> FFS. You're not really selling me on C++ here... :-P
>
> I always want to dig right in to solving the problem as quickly as
> possible, and then refactor later once I know what's what. IMO, writing
> templates, getters, setters, destructors, const, etc delays the actual
> understanding. Python and Haskell let me approach problems the way I
> want. C++ and Java do not.
Aside from that, the code you wrote, for me is incomprehensible. It
looks like a Jackson Pollack painting to me, and the Functional
programming languages have always had that affect on me. You tell
LISPers this all the time and they just don't listen. The languages are
really not human friendly. Python is a little better, and god knows
Guido made a ton of money on it, and drinks fancy scotch. It is already
solved in Python and I sent a link for that a week ago. I'm going to
build this out in C++, master the tools and language again, this time
with a genuine problem and leave the thesis with a usable code base that
is flexible, portable and easy to use for the non-computer researcher.
That is the complexity your seeing. I don't need templates. I could
just lift a tree from the libraries, and write this in a quick C program
in a single file with C structs. I'm sure BOOST has one or two. But I
want to build reusable code, which a comprehensive API for researchers.
And your forgetting that I'll need hooks for R and CLIPS and possibly a
database. Can this be done in Haskel, maybe. I'm not concerned about
it.
This argument has been going on for 50 years. It will go on for another
50 years, and everytime the functional programming languages are dusted
in practical coding design and relegated to specialized utilities.
Feel good that long after I'm dead, you will still be alive and
advocating functional programming to a younger more eager generation,
amusing the artificial intelligence written in C and C++ allows them to.
I've gone through dozens of scripting languages already. I want to
master c++ and swim with the big boys.
This is not to say I'm opposed to learning Haskel. If you want, I have
to take a special project next semester since they seemed to have ran
out of classes for me. I wanted to take Unix programming, but they
aren't offering it. We can do a special topic in Haskell if you want.
We have sample data for 400 characteristics, and over 80 species of
Tyrannosaurs. This algorithm doesn't even address the main problem of
determining species maps that can be tested in the fitch method.
Ruben
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