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DATE 2016-11-14
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM on trial
America's broken digital copyright law is about to be challenged in court

America's broken digital copyright law is about to be challenged in court
The Electronic Frontier Foundation is suing the US government over
‘unconstitutional’ use of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act

EFF is suing the US government over section 1201 of the DMCA – the
group says the law is unconstitutional, and that the Library of Congress
and the copyright office have failed to perform their duties in the
three-year DMCA 1201 exemption hearings. Photograph: J Scott Applewhite/AP
Cory Doctorow in Los Angeles
Thursday 21 July 2016 09.49 EDT Last modified on Friday 11 November 2016
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The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed a lawsuit on Thursday
that American copyright wonks, technologists and security researchers
have been hotly awaiting for nearly 20 years.

If they succeed, one of America’s most controversial technology laws
will be struck down, and countries all over the world who have been
pressured by the US trade representative to adopt this American rule
will have to figure out whether they’ll still enforce it, even after the
US has given up on it.

The rule is section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)
of 1998, the “anti-circumvention” rule that makes it illegal to break an
“access control” for copyrighted works. These “access controls” often
manifest as “digital rights management” (DRM), and the DMCA gives them
unique standing in law.

EFF is suing the US government, arguing that section 1201 of the DMCA is
unconstitutional, and also that the Library of Congress and the
copyright office have failed to perform their duties in the three-year
DMCA 1201 exemption hearings.

What is digital rights management?
If you buy something, it’s yours, and – you can modify, configure, or
use it any way you’d like, even if the manufacturer would prefer that
you didn’t. But the law forbids you from doing otherwise legal things if
you have to tamper with the DRM to do them.

Originally, this was used exclusively by the entertainment industries:
by adding DRM to DVDs, they could prevent companies from making DVD
players that accepted DVDs bought abroad. It’s not illegal to bring a
DVD home from an overseas holiday and watch it, but if your DVD player
recognises the disc as out-of-region, it is supposed to refuse to play
it back, and the act of altering the DVD player to run out-of-region
discs is unlawful under the DMCA’s section 1201. It could even be a
crime carrying a five-year prison sentence and a $500,000 fine for a
first offense (the act of offering a region-free DVD player for sale, or
even the neighbour’s kid helping you to deregionalise your DVD player,
can be criminal acts).


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Nike can’t invoke section 1201 of the DMCA to prevent a rival company
from offering replacement shoelaces for its trainers, because shoelaces
and trainers aren’t copyrighted (or copyrightable). Photograph: Alamy
Companies can only use the DMCA if they can argue that their DRM
protected a copyrighted work. Nike can’t invoke section 1201 of the DMCA
to prevent a rival company from offering replacement shoelaces for its
trainers, because shoelaces and trainers aren’t copyrighted (or
copyrightable). But once there’s software involved, copyright enters the
picture because software itself can be copyrighted.

The proliferation of “smart” devices has put software – and potentially,
the DMCA – into every part of our lives. Your car is a computer that
surrounds your body. Auto manufacturers use DRM to prevent independent
mechanics from reading out information from broken cars and to prevent
diagnostic tool-makers from making smarter diagnostic equipment.
Mechanics and tool-makers who want to know what’s wrong with your car
have to either break the DRM (risking fines or even prison) or get the
official manufacturer’s permission to compete, which drives up repair
costs. In other words, now that there’s software in your car, the DMCA
can be invoked to give manufacturers a monopoly over parts, service and
features for them.

And it’s not just cars. Every three years, the US copyright office
entertains proposals for limited exemptions to section 1201 of the DMCA.

In 2015, they heard from people who have been frustrated by
anti-circumvention rules as applied to voting machines (a computer we
put a democracy inside of); hospital equipment (a computer we put sick
people inside of); medical implants (computers we put inside our
bodies); as well as critical infrastructure, financial technology and more.


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Auto manufacturers use DRM to prevent independent mechanics from
reading information from broken cars, so mechanics either have to pay
for access and increase costs, break the DRM risking fines or even
prison Photograph: Alamy
Tellingly, many of these petitioners were security experts. DRM
advocates say that when a security expert discloses a defect in their
products – a flaw, say, that would allow strangers to watch your family
through your baby monitor, or kill you by dumping all your insulin
pump’s medicine into your blood at once, or take control of your car
over the internet and drive it, operating the brakes, steering and
acceleration (all examples of things people have done or shown could be
done by exploiting vulnerabilities in devices with DRM) – they are
violating laws that protect DRM.

These manufacturers say that the law gives them to power to determine
when, if ever, the people who entrust their lives, privacy, security,
votes and finances to computer-based products get to know about the
defects in those products.

How is it still around?
It’s been 18 years since the DMCA passed into law under then President
Bill Clinton, co-sponsored by congressman Barney Frank, voted in
unanimously by the Senate. The law has obvious, gross constitutional
defects, so how is it still in force?

Why the future of web browsers belongs to the biggest tech firms
Cory Doctorow in Los Angeles
Read more
Here’s the civics-class version of the relationship between the US
constitution and Congress: America’s constitution limits the laws
Congress can make. Congress isn’t supposed to make unconstitutional
laws, and when a judge finds such a law, he or she can rule that the law
is invalid.

But nothing as high-stakes as law is ever as simple as that. People can
disagree about whether a law is constitutional – the constitution has a
lot of high-flown language whose specifics have been hammered out over
centuries by judges and lawyers and scholars who have fiercely debated
them (and even gone to war over them). So a lawmaker might create a
statute he believes to be constitutional, while a judge might rule that
it’s not and strike it down.

Then there’s the question of how these sorts of questions wind up in
front of a court.


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Bill Clinton passed the DMCA 18 years ago. Photograph: Orlando
Sentinel/TNS via Getty Images
In the years since the DMCA’s passage, there have been relatively few
court challenges. In one case, Universal v Corley, a movie studio
successfully sued the hacker magazine 2600 for publishing computer code
that could descramble a DVD.

In 2002, a technologically unsophisticated judge in the case ruled that
a hacker magazine could be censored under the DMCA and was not shielded
by the first amendment’s guarantee of free speech because the code was a
form of “stealing”.

In the years since, the entertainment industry has been canny about its
threats.

When Ed Felten – a prominent computer scientist, then at Princeton
University, now deputy CTO of the White House – and a group of peers
published a paper on defects in DRM for music called Secure Digital
Music Initiative, the record companies threatened to sue him and the
technical conference where the paper was to be delivered. The Electronic
Frontier Foundation stepped forward to defend Felten, and the labels
beat all speed records withdrawing their threats because they understood
that judges would be reluctant to give record executives a veto over the
kinds of technical presentations that computer scientists could give.

Why Google’s fair use victory over Oracle matters
Pamela Samuelson in Berkeley, California
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At this point, you may be asking why, if the law hasn’t come up in court
decisions very often, does it even matter. But it does, because the few
successful prosecutions under the law have been sufficient to chill all
kinds of technological development and security disclosures.

The reason your computer automatically rips your old CDs and offers to
move them to your mobile device and the cloud, but prompts you to buy
your DVDs anew to watch them on a mobile screen, is that the DMCA has
successfully intimidated every operating system company in the world
into not including DVD-ripping software out of the box (those
DVD-ripping programs you may have tried? Also radioactively illegal to
distribute).

Don’t forget all those security researchers who told the copyright
office that their lawyers wouldn’t let them warn us about the
potentially lethal defects in all those internet of things devices we’re
coming to rely on – there’s no question that section 1201 of the DMCA
scares the heck out of businesses and security professionals.

The case in question
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Which brings us to today’s lawsuit. EFF is representing two clients:
Andrew “bunnie” Huang, a legendary engineer with a PhD from the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology who made his reputation when he
figured out how to install the free operating system GNU/Linux on
Microsoft’s Xbox and published a book about it; and Matthew Green, an
assistant professor at Johns Hopkins and considered a heavyweight in
security circles, whose research includes audits of OpenSSL and Truecrypt.

One of Huang’s projects is a gadget called NeTV, which allows users to
overlay images over HD videos. Huang figured out a clever way to work
with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) – a widely used
DRM for HD videos – without violating the DMCA. But he wants to expand
NeTV’s features in a new device called NetVCR, which will allow you to
record and manipulate digital video the same way you can with analogue
videos and a video recorder: record them for later, turn them into clips
that you reuse in legal ways, and so on.

Green, meanwhile, wants to do security research of the sort that could
raise section 1201 threats. Though the copyright office has granted some
limited exemptions to the DMCA that allow security research on consumer
equipment and some medical devices, Green’s research includes
investigating the security of industrial-grade encryption devices used
to secure cryptographic keys for purposes such as processing credit card
or ATM transactions.


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Green’s research includes investigating the security of
industrial-grade encryption devices used to secure cryptographic keys
for purposes such as processing credit card or ATM transactions.
Photograph: Kostis Ntantamis/AFP/Getty Images
He has a grant from the National Science Foundation to investigate the
security of medical record systems. He wants to investigate the security
of medical devices; toll collection systems; industrial firewalls and
virtual private network devices; and wireless communications systems
that connect vehicles to one another and to the surrounding
infrastructure. Lurking flaws in these devices pose a serious threat to
the economy and hundreds of millions of people who rely on them every
day, so we really want people like Green to be able to independently
validate their quality (the bad guys who want to abuse those devices
don’t ask for permission to investigate their flaws, after all).

Why EFF is suing
Suing on behalf of Huang and Green, EFF’s complaint argues that the
wording of the statute requires the Library of Congress to grant
exemptions for all conduct that is legal under copyright, including
actions that rely on fair use, when that conduct is hindered by the ban
on circumvention.

Critically, the supreme court has given guidance on this question in two
rulings, Eldred and Golan, explaining how copyright law itself is
constitutional even though it places limits on free speech; copyright
is, after all, a law that specifies who may utter certain combinations
of words and other expressive material.

The supreme court held that through copyright’s limits, such as fair
use, it accommodates the first amendment. The fair-use safety valve is
joined by the “idea/expression dichotomy”, a legal principle that says
that copyright only applies to expressions of ideas, not the ideas itself.

Analysis Firefox’s adoption of closed-source DRM breaks my heart
I understand the pressure to support commercial video – but the browser
makers can do more to defend free and open software. By Cory Doctorow
Read more
In the 2015 DMCA 1201 ruling, the Library of Congress withheld or
limited permission for many uses that the DMCA blocks, but which
copyright itself allows – activities that the supreme court has
identified as the basis for copyright’s very constitutionality.

If these uses had been approved, people such as Huang and Green would
not face criminal jeopardy. Because they weren’t approved, Huang and
Green could face legal trouble for doing these legitimate things.

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It’s a complicated story, existing at the intersection of law,
technology and information security, realms that are hard enough to get
your arms around on their own, let alone in combination. But that very
complexity – honestly, that very boringness – has allowed this
anti-circumvention rule from the DMCA to fester and metastasize into
devices that are taking over the physical world.

EFF’s lawsuit could take years to be finally decided.

Along the way, companies, entrepreneurs, members of the public and US
trading partners are all going to have to decide which side they’re on,
and whether it’s worth the risk of tolerating DMCA 1201 and its
international cousins, or if it’s better to unlock value, to thwart
rent-seeking monopolists, to bring transparency and accountability to
the design of crucial products and categories of products.

Today, EFF took the first step toward a future where we are allowed to
know whether our devices are fit for purpose, where we are allowed to
reconfigure them to suit our needs, to help one another get more use out
of our property.

Now, it’s up to all of us.


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  55. 2016-11-09 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] you wouldn't believe it
  56. 2016-11-09 Asia Suarez <as9795-at-nyu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] mergesort tutorial
  57. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?C++_call_of_overloaded_=E2=80=98track?=
  58. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] namespace and external files confusion
  59. 2016-11-09 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: lost arguments
  60. 2016-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] mergesort tutorial
  61. 2016-11-10 Asia Suarez <as9795-at-nyu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] mergesort tutorial
  62. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] mergesort tutorial
  63. 2016-11-10 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Learn] merge sort parallel hw
  64. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] this is wonderful
  65. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] this is wonderful
  66. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fewer liberals in the future?
  67. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Tech and Trump
  68. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Iran says - No Backsies
  69. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] R Programming Workshop
  70. 2016-11-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Iran says - No Backsies
  71. 2016-11-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fewer liberals in the future?
  72. 2016-11-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] this is wonderful
  73. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The 14th Workshop on,
  74. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump and the Jews
  75. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump's Neomazi's turn on him and the Jews
  76. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] So it seems the Jews voted for Trump
  77. 2016-11-10 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Odd thing I found
  78. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Odd thing I found
  79. 2016-11-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] So it seems the Jews voted for Trump
  80. 2016-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] ease your mind- everything in the universe is how
  81. 2016-11-11 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Only kidding, then and now
  82. 2016-11-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  83. 2016-11-14 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  84. 2016-11-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  85. 2016-11-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  86. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] new chief advisor
  87. 2016-11-14 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  88. 2016-11-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  89. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] they are honestly fucking crazy
  90. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Gwen Ifill,
  91. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] PNG Graphic formats and CRCs
  92. 2016-11-14 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  93. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  94. 2016-11-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  95. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  96. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Identity Politics in the news
  97. 2016-11-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  98. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  99. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM on trial
  100. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  101. 2016-11-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  102. 2016-11-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  103. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  104. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  105. 2016-11-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  106. 2016-11-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  107. 2016-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] missing original pics
  108. 2016-11-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  109. 2016-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  110. 2016-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] more political nonsense
  111. 2016-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] more gibberish
  112. 2016-11-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] more political nonsense
  113. 2016-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  114. 2016-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  115. 2016-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  116. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] truly incredible
  117. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] college watch
  118. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] college watch
  119. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump's anti-semetism
  120. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump's anti-semetism
  121. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump's anti-semetism
  122. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump's anti-semetism
  123. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump's anti-semetism
  124. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump's anti-semetism
  125. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Berkley and Left wing anti-semetism
  126. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Berkley Liberal anti-semetism
  127. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Remember you can trust the left leaning politicians
  128. 2016-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] more political nonsense
  129. 2016-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump's anti-semetism
  130. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] the New Yorker is so stupid
  131. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Remember you can trust the left leaning
  132. 2016-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the New Yorker is so stupid
  133. 2016-11-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Endorsement
  134. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the New Yorker is so stupid
  135. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] 4 more years
  136. 2016-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] C++ Workshop Announcement
  137. 2016-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Call For Proposals/Papers - 39th Annual
  138. 2016-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] the radical islamic bigots of the Democratic Party
  139. 2016-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Radical Trump
  140. 2016-11-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the radical islamic bigots of the Democratic
  141. 2016-11-15 ruben safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: PNG Coding
  142. 2016-11-15 James E Keenan <jkeen-at-verizon.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Social Meeting "Eight Days After" Wed Nov 16
  143. 2016-11-13 James E Keenan <jkeen-at-verizon.net> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Social Meeting "Eight Days After" Wed Nov 16
  144. 2016-11-17 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Social Meeting "Eight Days After" Wed Nov 16 |
  145. 2016-11-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Social Meeting "Eight Days After" Wed Nov 16
  146. 2016-11-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the radical islamic bigots of the Democratic
  147. 2016-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] at K&R now
  148. 2016-11-17 Miguel Moreno-Azanza <mmazanza-at-fct.unl.pt> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [dinosaur] VI Symposium on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies
  149. 2016-11-17 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the radical islamic bigots of the Democratic
  150. 2016-11-17 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Open Sicience
  151. 2016-11-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] at K&R now
  152. 2016-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] vanishing independence
  153. 2016-11-18 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the radical islamic bigots of the Democratic
  154. 2016-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the radical islamic bigots of the Democratic
  155. 2016-11-17 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Social Meeting "Eight Days After" Wed Nov 16 |
  156. 2016-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Some time off ....
  157. 2016-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Handing Syria to Iran is all the rage
  158. 2016-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [Perlweekly] #278 - MOAR Books
  159. 2016-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] look what I found
  160. 2016-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Iraqi Christians and Muslims
  161. 2016-11-21 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] where are you tonight? | | y'all are doing C++
  162. 2016-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [dinosaur] Eoconfuciusornis feather keratin
  163. 2016-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] not good trump news and network neutrality
  164. 2016-11-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] not good trump news and network neutrality
  165. 2016-11-21 James E Keenan <jkeen-at-verizon.net> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [YAPC::NA Announce] Save the Date! The Perl
  166. 2016-11-23 From: =?utf-8?Q?Torah=20Educational=20Software=20=28TES=29?= Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Bar_Ilan_Agudah_Convention_Promo_+_Spec?=
  167. 2016-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] digital dinosaur scan library at NIH
  168. 2016-11-18 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?JP_11/18/16=3A_ADL=E2=80=99s_Greenblatt?=
  169. 2016-11-18 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?JP_11/18/16=3A_ADL=E2=80=99s_Greenblatt?=
  170. 2016-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Happy Thanksgiving from your patriots in Brooklyn
  171. 2016-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS]
  172. 2016-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS]
  173. 2016-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] great research news for big data
  174. 2016-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Snowden on political change and privacy
  175. 2016-11-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] JP 11/18/16: ADL???s Greenblatt Steps Back on
  176. 2016-11-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS]
  177. 2016-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS]
  178. 2016-11-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] JP 11/18/16: ADL???s Greenblatt Steps Back on
  179. 2016-11-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] no - your wrong
  180. 2016-11-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] no - your wrong
  181. 2016-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fitch etc
  182. 2016-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fitch etc
  183. 2016-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] ADL is toast
  184. 2016-11-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] ADL is toast
  185. 2016-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] 130 year old feathers analysis
  186. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: ACM/SPEC ICPE 2017 - Call for Workshop
  187. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: ACM/SPEC ICPE 2017 - Call for Tutorial
  188. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Compiler positions available for week ending
  189. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Call for Contributions - Ada User Journal (AUJ)
  190. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: CfP 22nd Conf. Reliable Software Technologies,
  191. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: HOPL (History of Programming Languages)
  192. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: ACM/SPEC ICPE 2017 - Call for Work in Progress
  193. 2016-11-27 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Tiny Compiler in many languages at
  194. 2016-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bannon Bio
  195. 2016-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ice Skating Holiday
  196. 2016-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ma Bell
  197. 2016-11-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ma Bell
  198. 2016-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ma Bell
  199. 2016-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ma Bell
  200. 2016-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux phones
  201. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Look at this exciting output by my test program
  202. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [Learn] Quantum Entanglement
  203. 2016-11-29 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ma Bell | | why not just use your cell phone ?
  204. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ma Bell | | why not just use your cell phone ?
  205. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The Death of PBS
  206. 2016-11-28 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #279 - Unsung (But Totally Awesome)
  207. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] no - your wrong
  208. 2016-11-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] no - your wrong
  209. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] no - your wrong
  210. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [Learn] witmer lab ohio and 3d imaging
  211. 2016-11-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] no - your wrong
  212. 2016-11-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] no - your wrong
  213. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Learn] Look at this exciting output by my test
  214. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Learn] Look at this exciting output by my test
  215. 2016-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] witmer lab ohio and 3d imaging
  216. 2016-11-30 From: "Jewish Community Relations Council of NY" Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] An Evening of Israeli Art & Judaica,
  217. 2016-11-19 Dirk Jagdmann <doj-at-cubic.org> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Where to download embperl 2.5?

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