Tue Feb 17 08:14:56 2026
EVENTS
 FREE
SOFTWARE
INSTITUTE

POLITICS
JOBS
MEMBERS'
CORNER

MAILING
LIST

NYLXS Mailing Lists and Archives
NYLXS Members have a lot to say and share but we don't keep many secrets. Join the Hangout Mailing List and say your peice.

DATE 2017-11-01

HANGOUT

2026-02-17 | 2026-01-17 | 2025-12-17 | 2025-11-17 | 2025-10-17 | 2025-09-17 | 2025-08-17 | 2025-07-17 | 2025-06-17 | 2025-05-17 | 2025-04-17 | 2025-03-17 | 2025-02-17 | 2025-01-17 | 2024-12-17 | 2024-11-17 | 2024-10-17 | 2024-09-17 | 2024-08-17 | 2024-07-17 | 2024-06-17 | 2024-05-17 | 2024-04-17 | 2024-03-17 | 2024-02-17 | 2024-01-17 | 2023-12-17 | 2023-11-17 | 2023-10-17 | 2023-09-17 | 2023-08-17 | 2023-07-17 | 2023-06-17 | 2023-05-17 | 2023-04-17 | 2023-03-17 | 2023-02-17 | 2023-01-17 | 2022-12-17 | 2022-11-17 | 2022-10-17 | 2022-09-17 | 2022-08-17 | 2022-07-17 | 2022-06-17 | 2022-05-17 | 2022-04-17 | 2022-03-17 | 2022-02-17 | 2022-01-17 | 2021-12-17 | 2021-11-17 | 2021-10-17 | 2021-09-17 | 2021-08-17 | 2021-07-17 | 2021-06-17 | 2021-05-17 | 2021-04-17 | 2021-03-17 | 2021-02-17 | 2021-01-17 | 2020-12-17 | 2020-11-17 | 2020-10-17 | 2020-09-17 | 2020-08-17 | 2020-07-17 | 2020-06-17 | 2020-05-17 | 2020-04-17 | 2020-03-17 | 2020-02-17 | 2020-01-17 | 2019-12-17 | 2019-11-17 | 2019-10-17 | 2019-09-17 | 2019-08-17 | 2019-07-17 | 2019-06-17 | 2019-05-17 | 2019-04-17 | 2019-03-17 | 2019-02-17 | 2019-01-17 | 2018-12-17 | 2018-11-17 | 2018-10-17 | 2018-09-17 | 2018-08-17 | 2018-07-17 | 2018-06-17 | 2018-05-17 | 2018-04-17 | 2018-03-17 | 2018-02-17 | 2018-01-17 | 2017-12-17 | 2017-11-17 | 2017-10-17 | 2017-09-17 | 2017-08-17 | 2017-07-17 | 2017-06-17 | 2017-05-17 | 2017-04-17 | 2017-03-17 | 2017-02-17 | 2017-01-17 | 2016-12-17 | 2016-11-17 | 2016-10-17 | 2016-09-17 | 2016-08-17 | 2016-07-17 | 2016-06-17 | 2016-05-17 | 2016-04-17 | 2016-03-17 | 2016-02-17 | 2016-01-17 | 2015-12-17 | 2015-11-17 | 2015-10-17 | 2015-09-17 | 2015-08-17 | 2015-07-17 | 2015-06-17 | 2015-05-17 | 2015-04-17 | 2015-03-17 | 2015-02-17 | 2015-01-17 | 2014-12-17 | 2014-11-17 | 2014-10-17 | 2014-09-17 | 2014-08-17 | 2014-07-17 | 2014-06-17 | 2014-05-17 | 2014-04-17 | 2014-03-17 | 2014-02-17 | 2014-01-17 | 2013-12-17 | 2013-11-17 | 2013-10-17 | 2013-09-17 | 2013-08-17 | 2013-07-17 | 2013-06-17 | 2013-05-17 | 2013-04-17 | 2013-03-17 | 2013-02-17 | 2013-01-17 | 2012-12-17 | 2012-11-17 | 2012-10-17 | 2012-09-17 | 2012-08-17 | 2012-07-17 | 2012-06-17 | 2012-05-17 | 2012-04-17 | 2012-03-17 | 2012-02-17 | 2012-01-17 | 2011-12-17 | 2011-11-17 | 2011-10-17 | 2011-09-17 | 2011-08-17 | 2011-07-17 | 2011-06-17 | 2011-05-17 | 2011-04-17 | 2011-03-17 | 2011-02-17 | 2011-01-17 | 2010-12-17 | 2010-11-17 | 2010-10-17 | 2010-09-17 | 2010-08-17 | 2010-07-17 | 2010-06-17 | 2010-05-17 | 2010-04-17 | 2010-03-17 | 2010-02-17 | 2010-01-17 | 2009-12-17 | 2009-11-17 | 2009-10-17 | 2009-09-17 | 2009-08-17 | 2009-07-17 | 2009-06-17 | 2009-05-17 | 2009-04-17 | 2009-03-17 | 2009-02-17 | 2009-01-17 | 2008-12-17 | 2008-11-17 | 2008-10-17 | 2008-09-17 | 2008-08-17 | 2008-07-17 | 2008-06-17 | 2008-05-17 | 2008-04-17 | 2008-03-17 | 2008-02-17 | 2008-01-17 | 2007-12-17 | 2007-11-17 | 2007-10-17 | 2007-09-17 | 2007-08-17 | 2007-07-17 | 2007-06-17 | 2007-05-17 | 2007-04-17 | 2007-03-17 | 2007-02-17 | 2007-01-17 | 2006-12-17 | 2006-11-17 | 2006-10-17 | 2006-09-17 | 2006-08-17 | 2006-07-17 | 2006-06-17 | 2006-05-17 | 2006-04-17 | 2006-03-17 | 2006-02-17 | 2006-01-17 | 2005-12-17 | 2005-11-17 | 2005-10-17 | 2005-09-17 | 2005-08-17 | 2005-07-17 | 2005-06-17 | 2005-05-17 | 2005-04-17 | 2005-03-17 | 2005-02-17 | 2005-01-17 | 2004-12-17 | 2004-11-17 | 2004-10-17 | 2004-09-17 | 2004-08-17 | 2004-07-17 | 2004-06-17 | 2004-05-17 | 2004-04-17 | 2004-03-17 | 2004-02-17 | 2004-01-17 | 2003-12-17 | 2003-11-17 | 2003-10-17 | 2003-09-17 | 2003-08-17 | 2003-07-17 | 2003-06-17 | 2003-05-17 | 2003-04-17 | 2003-03-17 | 2003-02-17 | 2003-01-17 | 2002-12-17 | 2002-11-17 | 2002-10-17 | 2002-09-17 | 2002-08-17 | 2002-07-17 | 2002-06-17 | 2002-05-17 | 2002-04-17 | 2002-03-17 | 2002-02-17 | 2002-01-17 | 2001-12-17 | 2001-11-17 | 2001-10-17 | 2001-09-17 | 2001-08-17 | 2001-07-17 | 2001-06-17 | 2001-05-17 | 2001-04-17 | 2001-03-17 | 2001-02-17 | 2001-01-17 | 2000-12-17 | 2000-11-17 | 2000-10-17 | 2000-09-17 | 2000-08-17 | 2000-07-17 | 2000-06-17 | 2000-05-17 | 2000-04-17 | 2000-03-17 | 2000-02-17 | 2000-01-17 | 1999-12-17

Key: Value:

Key: Value:

MESSAGE
DATE 2017-11-14
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
I'm not certain that cooperating with the DMCA in any fashion is a
valuable tactic at this point.


On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:14:41PM -0500, Donald Robertson, III, FSF wrote:
> Read online:
>
> Dear Ruben Safir,
>
> With the deadline for registering as a DMCA agent looming at the end
> of the year, these two add-ons allow you to register without the use
> of nonfree JavaScript.
>
> Users shouldn't be forced to use nonfree software when interacting
> with their own government. Every user has the right to control their
> own computing, and the government shouldn't force you to download
> and install proprietary software just to take advantage of its
> services. But when it comes to registering as an agent under the
> Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) in the United States, that's
> exactly what the government expects you to do.
>
> Users are likely familiar with the DMCA's more draconian aspects,
> namely the creation of legal penalties for circumventing [Digital
> Restrictions Management][0]. The Free Software Foundation's Defective
> by Design campaign is [fighting][1] to end that nightmare and repeal
> that part of the law. But like many laws, it's crammed full of a wide
> variety of provisions, the anti-circumvention rules being only one of
> them.
>
> [0]: https://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm_digital_restrictions_management
> [1]: https://www.defectivebydesign.org/DMCA-exemption-commenting-process-broken
>
> Another piece of the law creates what are known as the safe harbor
> provisions. These rules set out some steps that maintainers of Web
> sites can take to avoid liability when a user of their site uploads
> potentially infringing copyrighted materials. The main provision here
> is that if a copyright holder finds their work on your site without
> their permission, they can submit a take down notice to an agent
> registered for your site. This agent can then remove the work, thus
> avoiding liability for the potentially infringing
> distribution. Without this safe harbor, the site maintainer could
> potentially be sued.
>
> While this safe harbor rule can lead to abuse, with improper take
> downs, it also allows maintainers of Web sites to permit their users
> to share works. If the rule wasn't in place, it would be too dangerous
> to accept such uploads without reviewing each work -- something most
> Web sites can't afford to do. The Free Software Foundation takes
> advantage of the safe harbor provisions to ensure that we can continue
> to share software created and uploaded by free software developers, or
> to share information like that found in the [Free Software
> Directory][2], or to help people organize locally via
> [LibrePlanet.org][3].
>
> [2]: https://directory.fsf.org/
> [3]: https://libreplanet.org/
>
> As mentioned before, though, taking advantage of the safe harbor
> provisions requires having an agent to accept the notices. This is
> where the problem arises. The U.S. Copyright Office is now requiring
> Web site maintainers to re-register using
> by December 31st of
> 2017. This site, [like many others that the Copyright Office requires
> use of][4], is lousy with nonfree [JavaScript][5]. Unlike the server
> software you may interact with when visiting any Web site, JavaScript
> is actually downloaded and run on your machine. Like any proprietary
> software, it does not serve the user, and cannot be trusted. Users
> must avoid nonfree JavaScript just as they would avoid any piece of
> proprietary software. But if they want to continue to enjoy safe
> harbor provisions, they must allow this intrusion onto their computer.
>
> [4]: https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/it_isnt_just_dmca_broken_beyond_repair
> [5]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap
>
> The Free Software Foundation reached out to the Copyright Office with
> these issues, and we still hope to work out a solution with them for
> the long term. But with the deadline coming up, we had to fix it
> ourselves. We collaborated with a volunteer to develop a workaround
> that allows you to register using only free software. The fix requires
> installing two freely licensed add-ons, [Register DMCA claim contacts
> w/o bad Javascript][6] and [Automatically reveal hidden HTML
> elements][7]. These add-ons, when used with [GNU LibreJS][8], allow
> anyone who needs to register as a DMCA agent to do so without loading
> the harmful nonfree JavaScript.
>
> [6]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/librejs-compatible-pay-gov/
> [7]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/submit-me/
> [8]: https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/
>
> There are still a few quirks that are being hammered out. Currently
> you have to add alternate names by uploading a document rather than
> filling in a text field. The only document type that they will accept
> is Excel, a proprietary format, but users can create documents in that
> format using [LibreOffice][9]. It's not a perfect solution, but it
> does enable users to actually complete the entire registration process
> using only free software. We will also be talking with the Copyright
> Office about supporting better formats. That is one of the beautiful
> things about free software: when people see a problem and have control
> over their own tools, they have the power to come together and make
> things right.
>
> [9]: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/LibreOffice
>
> Users have a right to control their own computing. Governments
> everywhere should ensure that participating in any program they
> provide does not require the use of nonfree software. But where
> governments are slow to react, we all have to work together to route
> around the threat of proprietary software. Here's what you can do to
> help:
>
> * Spread the word to any Web site maintainers you know that they can
> register using free software.
> * Use the add-ons to register for your own sites, and let us know you
> did by emailing us at .
> * Help improve [GNU LibreJS][8].
> * Support the work of the Free Software Foundation by [donating][10]
> or [becoming a member][11].
>
> [10]: https://www.fsf.org/donate
> [11]: https://www.fsf.org/join
> Sincerely,
> Donald Robertson, III
> Licensing and Compliance Manager
>
> --
> * Follow us at .
> * Subscribe to our RSS feeds at .
> * Join us as an associate member at .
>
> Sent from the Free Software Foundation,
>
> 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor
> Boston, Massachusetts 02110-1335
> UNITED STATES
>
>
> You can unsubscribe from this mailing list by visiting
>
> https://my.fsf.org/civicrm/mailing/unsubscribe?reset=1&jid=155041&qid=29433538&h=3f4be3bf66dfc27e.
>
> To stop all email from the Free Software Foundation, including Defective by Design,
> and the Free Software Supporter newsletter, visit
>
> https://my.fsf.org/civicrm/mailing/optout?reset=1&jid=155041&qid=29433538&h=3f4be3bf66dfc27e.

> _______________________________________________
> Hangout mailing list
> Hangout-at-nylxs.com
> http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout

_______________________________________________
Hangout mailing list
Hangout-at-nylxs.com
http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout

  1. 2017-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Movies of the Week
  2. 2017-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Jobs with Amazon and Linux
  3. 2017-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Linux System Admin _ Contract ?W2
  4. 2017-11-02 NCPA eCommunications <ncpa.ecommunications-at-ncpanet.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NCPA's qAM: Drug Shortages Loom Across U.S. as
  5. 2017-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [soledad.esteban-at-icp.cat: [dinosaur] Course
  6. 2017-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I can't breath wit this hay fever
  7. 2017-11-03 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] I can't breath wit this hay fever
  8. 2017-11-01 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Software Supporter Issue 115, November 2017
  9. 2017-11-01 From: "David H. Adler" <dha-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [MEETING] November Social Meeting
  10. 2017-11-01 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <email-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Deck the Halls with Dinosaurs
  11. 2017-11-01 From: "Brooklyn College" <grads-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Join Us for the Brooklyn College Graduate Open
  12. 2017-11-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Internet of things now worries
  13. 2017-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] jobs
  14. 2017-11-06 From: "Louise Adler - American Museum of Natural History" <members-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] SEE IT FIRST: Our most interactive exhibition yet
  15. 2017-11-05 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #328 - The London Perl Workshop
  16. 2017-11-04 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [luny-talk] Signal is now available as a Desktop
  17. 2017-11-02 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <mat-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Change lives. Teach science.
  18. 2017-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Weird Election results
  19. 2017-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Your EMB Weekly Newsletter is HERE!
  20. 2017-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Free Software Supporter Issue 115,
  21. 2017-11-09 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <publicprograms-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Stir Your Senses with Events and Courses
  22. 2017-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Android Replacements and SDK
  23. 2017-11-10 aicra-at-faqlinux.com Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [linux-elitists] December 31 - Deadline for DMCA
  24. 2017-11-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] why we need free software
  25. 2017-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times: The world s ingrave Danger
  26. 2017-11-13 From: "Donald Robertson, III, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  27. 2017-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  28. 2017-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Logging using tcp transport
  29. 2017-11-16 From: "IEEE Spectrum Tech Alert" <reply-at-media.ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Two Top Supercomputer Rankings Lists,
  30. 2017-11-16 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2017:2871-2:
  31. 2017-11-16 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2017:2327-2:
  32. 2017-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I need a volunteer
  33. 2017-11-18 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  34. 2017-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Linux with NYC
  35. 2017-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hackers Meeting
  36. 2017-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  37. 2017-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  38. 2017-11-20 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hackers Meeting | | * Ok Ruben, so,
  39. 2017-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hackers Meeting | | * Ok Ruben, so,
  40. 2017-11-20 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #330 - Tube? Metro? Underground?
  41. 2017-11-20 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #330 - Tube? Metro? Underground?
  42. 2017-11-22 Christos Nouskas <nous-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  43. 2017-11-22 artoo <artoo-at-cromnix.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  44. 2017-11-22 Chris Cromer <chris-at-cromer.cl> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  45. 2017-11-22 artoo <artoo-at-cromnix.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  46. 2017-11-22 Chris Cromer <chris-at-cromer.cl> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  47. 2017-11-22 Christos Nouskas <nous-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  48. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [artix-general] icu - run both
  49. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  50. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  51. 2017-11-22 artoo <artoo-at-cromnix.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  52. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  53. 2017-11-22 artoo <artoo-at-cromnix.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  54. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  55. 2017-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  56. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Movie of the week
  57. 2017-11-22 RestorationART <restorationart-at-restorationplaza.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Billie Holiday Theatre's production of AUTUMN
  58. 2017-11-23 The Hebron Fund <info-at-hebronfund.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Anti-Hebron Activist Caught, Visitors,
  59. 2017-11-23 From: "Molly de Blanc" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Give the gift of freedom with the Ethical
  60. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [artix-general] icu - run both versions

NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!