Tue Oct 8 21:27:42 2024
EVENTS
 FREE
SOFTWARE
INSTITUTE

POLITICS
JOBS
MEMBERS'
CORNER

MAILING
LIST

NYLXS Mailing Lists and Archives
NYLXS Members have a lot to say and share but we don't keep many secrets. Join the Hangout Mailing List and say your peice.

DATE 2017-11-01

HANGOUT

2024-10-08 | 2024-09-08 | 2024-08-08 | 2024-07-08 | 2024-06-08 | 2024-05-08 | 2024-04-08 | 2024-03-08 | 2024-02-08 | 2024-01-08 | 2023-12-08 | 2023-11-08 | 2023-10-08 | 2023-09-08 | 2023-08-08 | 2023-07-08 | 2023-06-08 | 2023-05-08 | 2023-04-08 | 2023-03-08 | 2023-02-08 | 2023-01-08 | 2022-12-08 | 2022-11-08 | 2022-10-08 | 2022-09-08 | 2022-08-08 | 2022-07-08 | 2022-06-08 | 2022-05-08 | 2022-04-08 | 2022-03-08 | 2022-02-08 | 2022-01-08 | 2021-12-08 | 2021-11-08 | 2021-10-08 | 2021-09-08 | 2021-08-08 | 2021-07-08 | 2021-06-08 | 2021-05-08 | 2021-04-08 | 2021-03-08 | 2021-02-08 | 2021-01-08 | 2020-12-08 | 2020-11-08 | 2020-10-08 | 2020-09-08 | 2020-08-08 | 2020-07-08 | 2020-06-08 | 2020-05-08 | 2020-04-08 | 2020-03-08 | 2020-02-08 | 2020-01-08 | 2019-12-08 | 2019-11-08 | 2019-10-08 | 2019-09-08 | 2019-08-08 | 2019-07-08 | 2019-06-08 | 2019-05-08 | 2019-04-08 | 2019-03-08 | 2019-02-08 | 2019-01-08 | 2018-12-08 | 2018-11-08 | 2018-10-08 | 2018-09-08 | 2018-08-08 | 2018-07-08 | 2018-06-08 | 2018-05-08 | 2018-04-08 | 2018-03-08 | 2018-02-08 | 2018-01-08 | 2017-12-08 | 2017-11-08 | 2017-10-08 | 2017-09-08 | 2017-08-08 | 2017-07-08 | 2017-06-08 | 2017-05-08 | 2017-04-08 | 2017-03-08 | 2017-02-08 | 2017-01-08 | 2016-12-08 | 2016-11-08 | 2016-10-08 | 2016-09-08 | 2016-08-08 | 2016-07-08 | 2016-06-08 | 2016-05-08 | 2016-04-08 | 2016-03-08 | 2016-02-08 | 2016-01-08 | 2015-12-08 | 2015-11-08 | 2015-10-08 | 2015-09-08 | 2015-08-08 | 2015-07-08 | 2015-06-08 | 2015-05-08 | 2015-04-08 | 2015-03-08 | 2015-02-08 | 2015-01-08 | 2014-12-08 | 2014-11-08 | 2014-10-08 | 2014-09-08 | 2014-08-08 | 2014-07-08 | 2014-06-08 | 2014-05-08 | 2014-04-08 | 2014-03-08 | 2014-02-08 | 2014-01-08 | 2013-12-08 | 2013-11-08 | 2013-10-08 | 2013-09-08 | 2013-08-08 | 2013-07-08 | 2013-06-08 | 2013-05-08 | 2013-04-08 | 2013-03-08 | 2013-02-08 | 2013-01-08 | 2012-12-08 | 2012-11-08 | 2012-10-08 | 2012-09-08 | 2012-08-08 | 2012-07-08 | 2012-06-08 | 2012-05-08 | 2012-04-08 | 2012-03-08 | 2012-02-08 | 2012-01-08 | 2011-12-08 | 2011-11-08 | 2011-10-08 | 2011-09-08 | 2011-08-08 | 2011-07-08 | 2011-06-08 | 2011-05-08 | 2011-04-08 | 2011-03-08 | 2011-02-08 | 2011-01-08 | 2010-12-08 | 2010-11-08 | 2010-10-08 | 2010-09-08 | 2010-08-08 | 2010-07-08 | 2010-06-08 | 2010-05-08 | 2010-04-08 | 2010-03-08 | 2010-02-08 | 2010-01-08 | 2009-12-08 | 2009-11-08 | 2009-10-08 | 2009-09-08 | 2009-08-08 | 2009-07-08 | 2009-06-08 | 2009-05-08 | 2009-04-08 | 2009-03-08 | 2009-02-08 | 2009-01-08 | 2008-12-08 | 2008-11-08 | 2008-10-08 | 2008-09-08 | 2008-08-08 | 2008-07-08 | 2008-06-08 | 2008-05-08 | 2008-04-08 | 2008-03-08 | 2008-02-08 | 2008-01-08 | 2007-12-08 | 2007-11-08 | 2007-10-08 | 2007-09-08 | 2007-08-08 | 2007-07-08 | 2007-06-08 | 2007-05-08 | 2007-04-08 | 2007-03-08 | 2007-02-08 | 2007-01-08 | 2006-12-08 | 2006-11-08 | 2006-10-08 | 2006-09-08 | 2006-08-08 | 2006-07-08 | 2006-06-08 | 2006-05-08 | 2006-04-08 | 2006-03-08 | 2006-02-08 | 2006-01-08 | 2005-12-08 | 2005-11-08 | 2005-10-08 | 2005-09-08 | 2005-08-08 | 2005-07-08 | 2005-06-08 | 2005-05-08 | 2005-04-08 | 2005-03-08 | 2005-02-08 | 2005-01-08 | 2004-12-08 | 2004-11-08 | 2004-10-08 | 2004-09-08 | 2004-08-08 | 2004-07-08 | 2004-06-08 | 2004-05-08 | 2004-04-08 | 2004-03-08 | 2004-02-08 | 2004-01-08 | 2003-12-08 | 2003-11-08 | 2003-10-08 | 2003-09-08 | 2003-08-08 | 2003-07-08 | 2003-06-08 | 2003-05-08 | 2003-04-08 | 2003-03-08 | 2003-02-08 | 2003-01-08 | 2002-12-08 | 2002-11-08 | 2002-10-08 | 2002-09-08 | 2002-08-08 | 2002-07-08 | 2002-06-08 | 2002-05-08 | 2002-04-08 | 2002-03-08 | 2002-02-08 | 2002-01-08 | 2001-12-08 | 2001-11-08 | 2001-10-08 | 2001-09-08 | 2001-08-08 | 2001-07-08 | 2001-06-08 | 2001-05-08 | 2001-04-08 | 2001-03-08 | 2001-02-08 | 2001-01-08 | 2000-12-08 | 2000-11-08 | 2000-10-08 | 2000-09-08 | 2000-08-08 | 2000-07-08 | 2000-06-08 | 2000-05-08 | 2000-04-08 | 2000-03-08 | 2000-02-08 | 2000-01-08 | 1999-12-08

Key: Value:

Key: Value:

MESSAGE
DATE 2017-11-22
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [artix-general] icu - run both versions



Chris Cromer


On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:23:21AM -0300, Chris Cromer wrote:
>> I admit that ICU getting pushed too soon was a problem. But the problem was
>> not because of a broken package. All those other packages needed to be
>> recompiled against the new libs since the ABI is incompatible in the new
>> lib. An unfortunate situation yes, but sometimes these things happen on a
>> rolling release distro.
>>
>
>
> That is incorrect. I was talking to Rick Moen about this last night and
> the packages are broken and were always broken and will continue to be
> broken. ICU is not a declared dependency in the packages although they
> are in the source files.

Packages don't have to have "depends" declcared for every single
possible thing in the packages to link against them, it is enough that
they are installed by a dependency of a dependency. So if package C
depends on package B and package A, and package B depends on package
A, it is enough to make package C only depend on package B which forms
a chain of dependencies. There is not need to put package A as
dependency in package C because B will already pull it in as one of
its dependencies. The fact that you don't realize this means that you
have very limited knowledge of how packaging actually works. And
frankly I don't care what "Rick Moen" says, the truth is that those
supposedly broken packages as you call them are linked to ICU when
they were compiled and had to be recompiled to link against the new
version of ICU. They were not "broken", they needed to be updated for
the new ICU version.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello Chris. For major libraries this is commonly not necessary as they
are linked as stdc++ ect

It is the smaller libraries that pose this problem and they should be
100% listed with all there dependencies.

Understand, tumbleweed, which is the opensuse rolling release I had for
years rarely if ever had this problem. Now maybe that is a manpower
issue, and you folks are working your tushas off to get artix up to
speed, but I have SEEN library dependencies cause package management
systems retain libraries in rolling releases, and with Manjaro, that was
an issue with gtk3 where there was no upgrade path without removing
needed packages ... which was a PIA.


But I don't feel compelled, and neither should you, to chose between
100% package management and 100% code base. Of course, once one goes
off the package management system, its on you, not the artix core
developers or the arch people. But OTOH, in this instance, what are you
gonna lose? The benefits are greater than the losses.

Show me how having a spare unmonitored icu library from ARCH presents a
problem and be specific. It over writes NOTHING. It lives in its own space.

_______________________________________________
Hangout mailing list
Hangout-at-nylxs.com
http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout

  1. 2017-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Movies of the Week
  2. 2017-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Jobs with Amazon and Linux
  3. 2017-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Linux System Admin _ Contract ?W2
  4. 2017-11-02 NCPA eCommunications <ncpa.ecommunications-at-ncpanet.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NCPA's qAM: Drug Shortages Loom Across U.S. as
  5. 2017-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [soledad.esteban-at-icp.cat: [dinosaur] Course
  6. 2017-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I can't breath wit this hay fever
  7. 2017-11-03 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] I can't breath wit this hay fever
  8. 2017-11-01 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Software Supporter Issue 115, November 2017
  9. 2017-11-01 From: "David H. Adler" <dha-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [MEETING] November Social Meeting
  10. 2017-11-01 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <email-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Deck the Halls with Dinosaurs
  11. 2017-11-01 From: "Brooklyn College" <grads-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Join Us for the Brooklyn College Graduate Open
  12. 2017-11-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Internet of things now worries
  13. 2017-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] jobs
  14. 2017-11-06 From: "Louise Adler - American Museum of Natural History" <members-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] SEE IT FIRST: Our most interactive exhibition yet
  15. 2017-11-05 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #328 - The London Perl Workshop
  16. 2017-11-04 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [luny-talk] Signal is now available as a Desktop
  17. 2017-11-02 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <mat-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Change lives. Teach science.
  18. 2017-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Weird Election results
  19. 2017-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Your EMB Weekly Newsletter is HERE!
  20. 2017-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Free Software Supporter Issue 115,
  21. 2017-11-09 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <publicprograms-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Stir Your Senses with Events and Courses
  22. 2017-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Android Replacements and SDK
  23. 2017-11-10 aicra-at-faqlinux.com Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [linux-elitists] December 31 - Deadline for DMCA
  24. 2017-11-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] why we need free software
  25. 2017-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times: The world s ingrave Danger
  26. 2017-11-13 From: "Donald Robertson, III, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  27. 2017-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  28. 2017-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Logging using tcp transport
  29. 2017-11-16 From: "IEEE Spectrum Tech Alert" <reply-at-media.ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Two Top Supercomputer Rankings Lists,
  30. 2017-11-16 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2017:2871-2:
  31. 2017-11-16 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2017:2327-2:
  32. 2017-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I need a volunteer
  33. 2017-11-18 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  34. 2017-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Linux with NYC
  35. 2017-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hackers Meeting
  36. 2017-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  37. 2017-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You can now register as a DMCA agent without
  38. 2017-11-20 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hackers Meeting | | * Ok Ruben, so,
  39. 2017-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hackers Meeting | | * Ok Ruben, so,
  40. 2017-11-20 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #330 - Tube? Metro? Underground?
  41. 2017-11-20 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #330 - Tube? Metro? Underground?
  42. 2017-11-22 Christos Nouskas <nous-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  43. 2017-11-22 artoo <artoo-at-cromnix.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  44. 2017-11-22 Chris Cromer <chris-at-cromer.cl> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  45. 2017-11-22 artoo <artoo-at-cromnix.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  46. 2017-11-22 Chris Cromer <chris-at-cromer.cl> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  47. 2017-11-22 Christos Nouskas <nous-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  48. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [artix-general] icu - run both
  49. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  50. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  51. 2017-11-22 artoo <artoo-at-cromnix.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  52. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  53. 2017-11-22 artoo <artoo-at-cromnix.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  54. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
  55. 2017-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] icu - run both versions
  56. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Movie of the week
  57. 2017-11-22 RestorationART <restorationart-at-restorationplaza.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Billie Holiday Theatre's production of AUTUMN
  58. 2017-11-23 The Hebron Fund <info-at-hebronfund.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Anti-Hebron Activist Caught, Visitors,
  59. 2017-11-23 From: "Molly de Blanc" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Give the gift of freedom with the Ethical
  60. 2017-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [artix-general] icu - run both versions

NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!