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|SUBJECT ||Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 06:41:28PM +0100, artoo wrote:
> chmod of loginctl is not really good idea.
> Why don't you simply set up a polkit rule that does not allow user shutdown?
> I don't iget it, you you seem to have a talent to shoot yourself in
> the foot?
I understand. You vew this from the prespective of creating the os
with arch packages being imported but from my prespective on my server
I don't want that hairball free desktop crap as a wrapper to the Linux
kernel granting rights of any kind.
My laptop is one thing by my mail server and ssh and apache server is
another. It is just a big rich attack vector and on my workstation it
is a huge complex hairball of dependencies where I've lost control of my
I can't be the only expereinced user here to have looked at polkit and
said, "What the fuck do I need that for"
> On 22.11.2017 18:08, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 05:34:54PM +0100, artoo wrote:
> >>I love these one liners.
> >What else would be needed aside from one line. I discovered that
> >loginctl allows regular users to shutdown the system. I can't have
> >that. Such behavior does an end around the core unix security. I tried
> >to remove elongd and it said X was a dependendcy.
> >>Simple answer, you can't, you would need to rebuild xorg.
> >can I do that and make it a package to admin with pacman?
> >>Are you sure your special requirements are met with any binary distro?
> >Its been nearly a decade since I tore through gentoo. Its not
> >relaistic. What I need is a distro that is systemd free, and new
> >options are always looked at.
> >things look like they will get worse with wayland barking at the door.
> >for the momemnt I chmod 0000 loginctl, but the underlining design flaw
> >continues of giving root access to normal users though polykit etc
> >>Such stuff is easy on gentoo for example, but your needs are not
> >>really well addressed with a binary package distro.
> >>Packages on binary distros are compromises, how much of its compile
> >>features to enable.
> >>Simply speaking, gentoo allows you to customize to very high degree,
> >>since you compile the packages from source yourself.
> >Maybe I can compile an x package that doesn't hook into councilkit et
> >al through gentoo.
> >>On 22.11.2017 16:35, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>>How do I get rid of loginctl and elongd and keep X?
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