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DATE | 2017-11-22 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Wed Nov 22 16:56:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: archive-at-nylxs.com Received: from www.mrbrklyn.com (www.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A937E163F5E; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:56:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2CABC163F59; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:56:37 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:56:37 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20171122215637.GJ8880-at-www.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from us2.mailinglist1.mailhostbox.com (us2.mailinglist1.mailhostbox.com [204.11.59.83]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CED8C160876 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9438 invoked by uid 300); 22 Nov 2017 19:06:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact artix-general-help-at-artixlinux.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list artix-general-at-artixlinux.org Received: (qmail 9430 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2017 19:06:00 -0000 Received-SPF: Pass (sender SPF authorized) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=96.57.23.82; helo=mrbrklyn.com; envelope-from=ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com; receiver=artix-general-at-artixlinux.org Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:05:59 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: artix-general-at-artixlinux.org Message-ID: <20171122190559.GA7815-at-www.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20171122153556.GA6304-at-www.mrbrklyn.com> <12aff545-8f33-ed5b-bb50-64fe9488f53a-at-cromnix.org> <20171122170826.GA6842-at-www.mrbrklyn.com> <26908265-a4be-3311-d502-703bc3dba0a4-at-cromnix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26908265-a4be-3311-d502-703bc3dba0a4-at-cromnix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=E5K9neVl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=dOhXy1r7xzSwKFzJ68PqjA==:117 a=dOhXy1r7xzSwKFzJ68PqjA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=fsXLkTk5AAAA:8 a=FcfTqRDnAAAA:8 a=xjE6hrZFAAAA:8 a=8y7a7jOUAAAA:8 a=S7YLyeUdp6BqNv6PucoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zTVZ3laHAWFKilA0fLUg:22 a=Bsx0bUy9NE8EFo2K93DO:22 a=cQTx0dXZiNa8F2_Zw6cy:22 a=Mi-wik13hbtWp4D3kfeb:22 X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=bIBmGL2Z c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=arQiy8F7EFp3ehhvfglvjA==:117 a=dOhXy1r7xzSwKFzJ68PqjA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=S7YLyeUdp6BqNv6PucoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] elongind and X X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: artix-general-at-artixlinux.org List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 06:41:28PM +0100, artoo wrote: > chmod of loginctl is not really good idea.
I agree > > Why don't you simply set up a polkit rule that does not allow user shutdown? > > I don't iget it, you you seem to have a talent to shoot yourself in > the foot?
I understand. You vew this from the prespective of creating the os with arch packages being imported but from my prespective on my server I don't want that hairball free desktop crap as a wrapper to the Linux kernel granting rights of any kind.
My laptop is one thing by my mail server and ssh and apache server is another. It is just a big rich attack vector and on my workstation it is a huge complex hairball of dependencies where I've lost control of my hardware.
I can't be the only expereinced user here to have looked at polkit and said, "What the fuck do I need that for"
> > On 22.11.2017 18:08, Ruben Safir wrote: > >On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 05:34:54PM +0100, artoo wrote: > >>I love these one liners. > >> > >What else would be needed aside from one line. I discovered that > >loginctl allows regular users to shutdown the system. I can't have > >that. Such behavior does an end around the core unix security. I tried > >to remove elongd and it said X was a dependendcy. > > > >>Simple answer, you can't, you would need to rebuild xorg. > >> > >can I do that and make it a package to admin with pacman? > > > > > >>Are you sure your special requirements are met with any binary distro? > >Its been nearly a decade since I tore through gentoo. Its not > >relaistic. What I need is a distro that is systemd free, and new > >options are always looked at. > > > >things look like they will get worse with wayland barking at the door. > > > >for the momemnt I chmod 0000 loginctl, but the underlining design flaw > >continues of giving root access to normal users though polykit etc > >continues. > > > > > >>Such stuff is easy on gentoo for example, but your needs are not > >>really well addressed with a binary package distro. > >> > >>Packages on binary distros are compromises, how much of its compile > >>features to enable. > >> > >>Simply speaking, gentoo allows you to customize to very high degree, > >>since you compile the packages from source yourself. > >> > >Maybe I can compile an x package that doesn't hook into councilkit et > >al through gentoo. > > > > > > > >>Artoo > >> > >> > >>On 22.11.2017 16:35, Ruben Safir wrote: > >>>How do I get rid of loginctl and elongd and keep X? > >>> > >>>
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