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Even a puny challenge is better than none AP AP If IBM likes it, then it must be all right. That, at least, is what supporters of Linux, an operating system for computers, are hoping. Unlike Microsoft Windows, Linux holds no secrets for programmers. Its source codes can be read like an open book, which makes them easy to adapt to individual needs and cheaper to buy. After years in the doldrums as Microsoft forged ahead in market after market, Linux is making a comeback?and in an unexpected market. Thanks to its stability as an operating system and the fact that it can be made secure, Linux is fast catching on among retailers. This week, IBM annnounced deals with two big retailers?Regal Entertainment, which owns scores of movie theatres in America, and Casas Bahia, a big Brazilian retailer?to supply thousands of cash registers that will run on Linux. These sales followed earlier agreements with IBM and Sun Microsystems, two of the world?s largest computer manufacturers, that will not only boost Linux?s popularity but will also give computer users more choice. IBM has agreed to use Linux software on its servers. The agreement is with Red Hat, an independent supplier of Linux software which it bundles with other products and services. IBM had earlier used Red Hat?s software on only one of its range of servers; now all four will be covered. Since IBM will profit from servicing the software, this could open up important new markets for Linux. >From the web Microsoft warns of FrontPage flaw (vnunet.com) Fri 15:38 GMT Lotus, Microsoft and AOL back enterprise instant messaging (CW360.com) Fri 15:02 GMT Microsoft researches office of the future (ZDNet) Fri 13:18 GMT Linux nips at Microsoft's heels (ZDNet) Fri 11:42 GMT Microsoft gets hands-on with Tablet PC (ZDNet) Fri 11:41 GMT more... Provided by Moreover Technologies >From The Economist Open-source software goes hybrid Jul 25th 2002 Sun Microsystems' Scott McNealy Jun 20th 2002 Out in the open Apr 12th 2001 Linux gets serious Jan 25th 2001 Linus Torvalds and Linux Jan 25th 2001 Also in The world economy Sep 27th 2002 Emerging markets Sep 27th 2002 America and Iraq Sep 27th 2002 Yasser Arafat Sep 27th 2002 Investment banks Sep 26th 2002 Higher education Sep 23rd 2002 About Global Agenda ADVERTISMENT At the same time, Sun Microsystems said that it planned to offer Linux as part of its line of StarOffice programmes. Like Microsoft Windows, these cover word processing, spreadsheets and graphics. Unlike Windows, however, StarOffice is able to work not just on Sun?s own Solaris operating system but on Linux or Windows too. When Sun begins shipping the new products in nine months or so, it will be cheaper than Windows and easier to administer. Sun reckons a single administrator will be able to support at least 2,000 users of StarOffice; that compares with one for every 50 users of Microsoft Windows. The increasing popularity of Linux is not the only worry for Microsoft. Corel, a Canadian company which bought a word-processing programme called WordPerfect from Novell in 1996, has recently done deals with Hewlett-Packard (which is merging with Compaq) and Dell Computers. Both companies are to sell personal computers installed with WordPerfect as well as Corel?s Quattro Pro software for spreadsheets. Hewlett-Packard and Dell chose WordPerfect over Microsoft Works, a scaled-down version of Microsoft?s ubiquitous office software. Most documents written in Microsoft Word can be opened by WordPerfect, and vice versa. But the latter is considerably cheaper than Microsoft Works. Hewlett-Packard and Dell will also save money because they will pay far fewer royalties to Corel than they would to Microsoft in return for offering its software. Corel reckons the five million or so machines that it expects Hewlett-Packard and Dell to sell over the next year, each fitted with its software, will triple the number of WordPerfect products sold annually. But that is still only a drop in the ocean compared with the millions delivered each year by Microsoft. One reason why alternatives to Microsoft?s products are catching on at the moment is the company?s new pricing policy. Instead of paying once for new products or upgrades, Microsoft is now charging many corporate customers and government offices a form of subscription. Many complain that this has increased the cost of their software. So far, computers with Linux-based operating systems are most popular with retailers and companies that run call centres dealing directly with customers. But businesses offering financial services have also begun switching to Linux. Others may follow. Familiarity with Microsoft Windows remains a powerful deterrent, particularly among service companies with large numbers of white-collar workers. That is why Sun Microsystems is giving away thousands of copies of its software to schools throughout Europe and Africa. The company hopes that children accustomed to using StarOffice at school will go on to become customers in later life. Since March, Sun has donated a massive $6 billion-worth of products to schools and colleges. Sun?s generosity is finding favour with governments that are keen to avoid their domestic markets becoming ever more dependent on Microsoft and also want to help their own computer manufacturers become more competitive. China, for one, is watching the development of Linux with interest?as are politicians in Germany, where national and municipal offices are urged to use cheaper, open-source software. Yet companies offering Linux still have a long way to go before they begin to reel in Microsoft. Even with its current, more-humble posture?the company expects soon to wrap up its long-running, antitrust dispute with the US government?Microsoft remains a formidable foe. International Data Corporation, a market-research firm, reckons that Linux has just 2.7% of the market for desktop operating systems. So even if its sales grow like topsy, it could still be years before Linux makes an impression on Microsoft?s 94% share. -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://www.nyfairuse.org http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw you... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 ____________________________ New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... 2002-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Asha Move Tomorrow 2002-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show 2002-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2002/0906nj1.htm 2002-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Article for you... 2002-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Phikips - ther Anti_DRM Company 2002-09-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Attributed Ellis Island and Copyright Fraud Story by Yale Kohen 2002-09-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] ALT-Q Ellis Island (fwd) 2002-09-08 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] ydl, gimp and the solution 2002-09-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] asha office 2002-09-06 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] asha office 2002-09-06 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Dev null route 2002-09-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 2 Class Tonight 2002-09-04 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Come One, Come All: An Open Invitation 2002-09-04 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Venezuela & Software Libre 2002-09-04 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] No more Journal 2002-09-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] No more Journal 2002-09-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No more Journal 2002-09-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] No more Journal 2002-09-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Review copy of speech... [dyfet-at-ostel.com] 2002-09-03 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] YDL and Gimp 2002-09-03 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Cornell Universiot and the DMCA] 2002-09-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 2 Canceled Tonight 2002-09-03 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] revised mets tickets 2002-09-03 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Open Office Training Tonight 2002-09-03 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: ASHA office (fwd) 2002-09-03 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] YDL and Gimp 2002-09-03 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] YDL and Gimp 2002-09-03 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] This week I will be in Macedonia... 2002-09-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC - Symbol of Strength? 2002-09-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [dyfet-at-ostel.com: current speech] 2002-09-02 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] YDL and Gimp 2002-09-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] One more things 2002-09-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Septmebr Classes Booklet - Please Distribute 2002-09-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [dclug] Department of Commerce Report 2002-09-01 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show on Sunday.. 2002-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Log Analysist 2002-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: membership Web Space 2002-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Log Analysist 2002-09-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Log Analysist 2002-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fair use website request 2002-09-01 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Log Analysist 2002-09-01 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] Fair use website request 2002-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Log Analysist 2002-09-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: ASHA office (fwd) 2002-09-12 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] Revised LaGuardia Demo program, version 0912-b 2002-09-12 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] The latest agenda for LaGuardia demo 2002-09-12 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] The latest agenda for LaGuardia demo 2002-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A Press Agent Recommendation 2002-09-11 From: "Kevin Milani" <news-at-impact-it.net> RE: [hangout] Mac OS X Server versus Linux Server 2002-09-11 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia update 2002-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 2002-09-10 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] mission statement 2002-09-10 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Mac OS X Server versus Linux Server 2002-09-10 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop: GNU/Linux outpaces Mac OSX 2002-09-10 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Mac OS X Server versus Linux Server 2002-09-24 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] CUNY Demo 2002-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] CUNY Demo 2002-09-24 From: "Kevin Milani" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Consulting Business Initiative 2002-09-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Enforcers 2002-09-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenSSL Gets a Gift from SUN (Or maybe not?) - READ THE SUN AGREE 2002-09-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ari Jort Presenting tonight 2002-09-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going 2002-09-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] what information to take 2002-09-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] gimp 1.3 2002-09-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fw: perl scripts 2002-09-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Business Initiatives 2002-09-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo 2002-09-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Here is a howto meet women while using GNU/Linux 2002-09-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal Article - One Submittions 2002-09-20 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Now, it's getting scary, and FAST 2002-09-20 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Now, it's getting scary, and FAST 2002-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C program 2002-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] flexible virtual hosting? 2002-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] xmlns I dont see the point 2002-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September Journal 2002-09-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Linux 1 and Perl 1 Classes, class on the Gimp 2002-09-24 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Consulting Business Initiative 2002-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Consulting Business Initiative 2002-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo 2002-09-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Consulting Business Initiative 2002-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Hebrew Translation Effort [metalab-at-externe.net] 2002-09-25 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Consulting Business Initiative 2002-09-25 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] Need a volunteer to do a session on reliability, support, and security 2002-09-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [wwwac] Re: [hangout] Re: berman bill (fwd) 2002-09-25 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Need a volunteer to do a session on reliability, support, and security 2002-09-26 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting: My wife's first solo show 2002-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] marketing initiative 2002-09-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux on the Desktop in Business 2002-09-09 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: asha office? 2002-09-09 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Asha office NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!