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DATE 2001-11-11
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/11/nyregion/11PLAC.html


New Yorkers Lose Their Inner Rand McNally

By KIRK JOHNSON

Early human ancestors on the African savanna had to find food, avoid being eaten
by predators, and on top of all that remember how to get home again across a
complex, dangerous terrain. It was too much, development experts say, and the
mind's solution, arrived at over thousands of years, was to divide up the tasks.
Thinking about paths and landscapes was shifted mostly into the subconscious,
leaving the rest of the brain free for the hard work of earning a living.

People still think that way, according to psychologists. Each person makes his
or her own little map of the world, with some places colored red for danger or
excitement, others warmly tinted with hues of home and safety. That knowledge is
then filed away in the back-office of the mind and off we go, commuting to our
jobs, and doing lots of other familiar tasks as well, pretty much on autopilot.

Or at least that's how it worked until Sept. 11. The mental maps of New York -
how the region functioned and how people mostly never gave it a thought - were
shredded that day, along with so much else. The wounds to the city were
certainly real, and the heightened security presence in many places since then
offers a constant reminder that the risk of further attacks is probably real as
well. Feeling nervous sometimes these days is not abnormal.

But mental health experts say an equally important and overlooked element in
explaining the disorientation and anxiety that many in the New York region feel
is that they're all still a little lost. Things don't look the same, or work the
same, or even smell the same, at least in Lower Manhattan.

Predictability and familiarity - the foundation stones that allow the old
subconscious of the savanna to take over through the routine mapped-out
stretches of a day - have been shaken.

"We live at the level of our newspaper stand, our route to work, where we get
our cup of coffee - that's the intimate personal geography," said Dr. Mindy
Thompson Fullilove, a psychiatrist who teaches at the Mailman School of Public
Health at Columbia University. "We are privileged to take our environment for
granted and think about other things, and that privilege has been taken away."

Losing the old map does not mean that people can't tell north from south, or
that New Yorkers are literally unable to find their way because the landmarks of
the World Trade Center were destroyed. (Although the New York City Fire
Department did have new maps drawn up in the days after Sept. 11, using
newspaper stands and other structures as landmarks to guide rescue workers
toward the disaster site.)

What a damaged map does, the experts say, is thrust all the symbols and signs of
the world, to which people were largely oblivious before, onto the front burners
of thought.

A sudden lurching stop on the subway or a siren in the night sends a different
signal to the brain now. Driving to work - perhaps to a new location - might
take an hour or it might take three. The light on a sunny day in Lower Manhattan
reflects in odd new ways on office windows. Route 22 in New Jersey, which once
appeared to aim directly for the World Trade towers on the horizon as though
homing in on a beacon, is now a disembodied shopping strip that might be in any
edge city in America. Going to a park has become sweeter for some, more
threatening for others who see danger in every public space.

The distinctive human ability to plan (the word itself is derived from a term of
geography, the Latin for "plain") stumbles as well when the maps are lost.

"Being able to predict a stable future is part of the process of why we have
mental maps," said Edward H. Steinfeld, a professor of architecture and human
behavior at the State University of New York at Buffalo. "I believe it's a tool
that people use not only to find their way, but also to say what the future will
be like. When those maps are disrupted, it's an attack on our ability to feel
good about the future."

The difficulty, or perhaps for some, the virtue, of talking about the
subconscious navigation system is that its existence is almost impossible to
prove definitively.

Most people, when asked about the damage from Sept. 11 to their inner maps, are
likely to look lost right away because the maps - of course! - do not exist in
conscious thought. At a time when the local burden of woes seems heavy enough as
it is, therapists and experts like Dr. Fullilove may seem to be pointing out yet
another problem to worry about, or alternatively, offering to hold a hand that
people didn't know needed holding.

But scholars in fields ranging from geography to anthropology say the
circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that the human sense of order,
predictability and stability is linked directly to the shape and texture of the
physical world, and particularly to the landmarks that define it and in turn,
define us.

The psychological research that led to the definitions of post-traumatic stress
syndrome, for example, was largely derived not from war or human violence, but
from a devastating flood in the early 1970's in the tiny town of Man, W.Va. The
flood washed away just about every recognizable element of the community - from
trees to roads and houses - and left many of the survivors shattered by the
resulting disorientation.

"The kind of landscape that people orient themselves by is such a familiar part
of their world that they really don't know what it means until it's gone," said
Kai Erikson, a professor of sociology and American studies at Yale University
who studied the Man flood and wrote a book about it, "Everything in Its Path"
(Simon & Schuster, 1976). "It's the absence of something rather than the
presence that disorients you."

In New York City, some urban scholars and writers say, an attack on the two
tallest landmarks had an even greater mental impact because the landscape is
almost entirely man-made.

The New York skyline defines a place, they say, but also the identities of the
people who inhabit it. The eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980 altered a
mountain and a landscape near Portland. The destruction of the twin towers
altered the concept of what a landscape is and what holds it together.

The writer Tony Hiss, who has celebrated the mental and physical geography of
New York in books like "The Experience of Place" (Knopf, 1990), said he gazes up
now at the vaulted ceiling above Grand Central Terminal with a new sense of
wonder, both about the building and the people who move beneath it. "It feels
more precious than ever, but I feel more that what holds it together is not
steel and stone and brass but the collective will," he said. "The city is not
only the buildings, but our psychic energies holding it together."

Ordinary New Yorkers are also thinking differently about specific places in the
city. In a poll conducted by The New York Times in late October and early this
month, nearly half of the 1,172 city residents questioned said there were
specific spots that they were going out of their way to avoid, ranging from tall
buildings to downtown Manhattan in general. Others said they were being drawn to
new locations, like parks or the confines of their own neighborhoods.

Therapists say that in general, time is the only real healer of maps. New routes
to work, new places of danger or safety, even an overall higher level of
uncertainty about what a day will bring, gradually sink to the level of habit
and thus subconscious control, they say.

Many experts say city and regional authorities and employers could help by
making sure, through practice, that the proper response to things like bomb
threats or suspicious-looking letters becomes ingrained into people's heads.
Better announcements on subway and commuter trains about the exact nature and
cause of delays would also ease anxieties, they say.

Dr. Fullilove and other mental health professionals and clergy members had also
planned to hold a mass walk this fall through Lower Manhattan, which they had
hoped would help heal the strained bonds between people and landscape. But she
got kind of lost herself, and the walk has now been postponed until spring.

Because of the turmoil in city government, Dr. Fullilove said,
the pathway through the approvals process was impossible to
follow.

"There's no usual route to the mayor's office, no usual route to
permits," she said.


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  92. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [nylug-talk] Re: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  93. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [nylug-talk] Re: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  94. 2001-11-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Equiptment
  95. 2001-11-05 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Alan Cox and freedom
  96. 2001-11-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware Support for Linux/Why Not XP
  97. 2001-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Coming Week Schedule
  98. 2001-11-04 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  99. 2001-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Support for Linux/Why Not XP
  100. 2001-11-04 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  101. 2001-11-04 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Noon Monday 5 November 2001: Rally to Free Dmitry
  102. 2001-11-04 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  103. 2001-11-04 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's
  104. 2001-11-04 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  105. 2001-11-04 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  106. 2001-11-02 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part
  107. 2001-11-02 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part in the Microsoft anti-trust action.
  108. 2001-11-02 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part in the Microsoft anti-trust action.
  109. 2001-11-02 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part in the
  110. 2001-11-02 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] hard drives and bios
  111. 2001-11-02 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Lending Library (was used books)
  112. 2001-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Post - Welcome
  113. 2001-11-02 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] First Post - Welcome
  114. 2001-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Announcment
  115. 2001-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Airport security
  116. 2001-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lending Library (was used books)
  117. 2001-11-02 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [hangout] Airport security
  118. 2001-11-01 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] hard drives and bios
  119. 2001-11-01 Ruth Shanen <casandra-at-ix.netcom.com> Re: [hangout] Proposed Constitution TEMPLATE
  120. 2001-11-23 hangout-at-nylxs.com Re: [hangout] IBM and Linux

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