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MESSAGE
DATE 2001-11-02
FROM Abdele Darius Sabre
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part in the Microsoft anti-trust action.
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From: Abdele Darius Sabre
Subject: Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part in the Microsoft anti-trust action.
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Greeting my friend David:

They shold be only allowed to sell Windows with the
ability to point and click, and to access hardware.

No application software.

Abdele D. Sabre


--- David Sugar wrote:
>
> That is just one of many issues I find with this
> proposed settlement. For
> example, it suggests an illegal monopoly can
> nontheless be permitted to
> use RAND licensing to discriminate against other
> vendors and those seeking
> interoperability. It establishes or at least
> sanctions other behaviors
> that even legitimate companies should not be
> permitted to do regardless of
> monoply status. Many of the problems with this so
> called settlement is
> that it institutionalizes and endorses the very same
> criminal behavior
> that initiated much of the legal action in the first
> place.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
>
> >
> > The federal judge today gave the states until
> Tuesday to accept or reject
> > the settlement proposed by Microsoft and the
> United States Department of
> > Justice. The proposed settlement would allow
> Microsoft and
> > Dell/Compaq/HP/IBM/etc. to continue their practice
> of offering only
> > Microsoft operating systems on mass market IBM
> style peecees, and further,
> > refusing to give refunds in case the buyer does
> not run the Microsoft OS
> > already on the hard disk. The settlement, if
> accepted by all parties,
> > including the judge, would formally sanction as
> legal this very effective
> > blocking of competition at the level of the OS.
> >
> > Any settlement that does not guarantee a level
> playing field for all
> > operating systems at point of sale of IBM style
> peecees is not a
> > settlement at all, but a license for Microsoft and
> Dell/Compaq/HP/IBM/etc.
> > to continue to deny most computer buyers any
> choice at all of operating
> > systems.
> >
> > Please read the proposed settlement and then write
> to Richard Schwartz.
> >
> > Text of proposed settlement:
> >
> >
>
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/trial/nov01/11-02settlement.asp
> >
> > Address of Richard Schwartz:
> >
> > richard.schwartz-at-oag.state.ny.us
> >
> > oo--JS.
> >
> > ____________________________
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> > Fair Use -
> > because it's either fair use or useless....
> >
>
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> Fair Use -
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