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DATE 2001-11-02
FROM David Sugar
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part
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That is just one of many issues I find with this proposed settlement. For
example, it suggests an illegal monopoly can nontheless be permitted to
use RAND licensing to discriminate against other vendors and those seeking
interoperability. It establishes or at least sanctions other behaviors
that even legitimate companies should not be permitted to do regardless of
monoply status. Many of the problems with this so called settlement is
that it institutionalizes and endorses the very same criminal behavior
that initiated much of the legal action in the first place.

David

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Jay Sulzberger wrote:

>
> The federal judge today gave the states until Tuesday to accept or reject
> the settlement proposed by Microsoft and the United States Department of
> Justice. The proposed settlement would allow Microsoft and
> Dell/Compaq/HP/IBM/etc. to continue their practice of offering only
> Microsoft operating systems on mass market IBM style peecees, and further,
> refusing to give refunds in case the buyer does not run the Microsoft OS
> already on the hard disk. The settlement, if accepted by all parties,
> including the judge, would formally sanction as legal this very effective
> blocking of competition at the level of the OS.
>
> Any settlement that does not guarantee a level playing field for all
> operating systems at point of sale of IBM style peecees is not a
> settlement at all, but a license for Microsoft and Dell/Compaq/HP/IBM/etc.
> to continue to deny most computer buyers any choice at all of operating
> systems.
>
> Please read the proposed settlement and then write to Richard Schwartz.
>
> Text of proposed settlement:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/trial/nov01/11-02settlement.asp
>
> Address of Richard Schwartz:
>
> richard.schwartz-at-oag.state.ny.us
>
> oo--JS.
>
> ____________________________
> New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> Fair Use -
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  1. 2001-11-29 From: "Michael M. L. Broggy" <mbroggy-at-xooyooz.com> Re: [hangout] We are just not doing enough...
  2. 2001-11-16 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] CGI-WRAPPER
  3. 2001-11-15 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Dell Completely hates Linux
  4. 2001-11-15 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Nominations report, Next executive meeting,
  5. 2001-11-15 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] MS Access under Linux
  6. 2001-11-15 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations report, Next executive meeting, Outline
  7. 2001-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dell Completely hates Linux
  8. 2001-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl IRC Tonite
  9. 2001-11-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations report, Next executive meeting, Outline of the years goals
  10. 2001-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CGI-WRAPPER
  11. 2001-11-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] CGI-WRAPPER
  12. 2001-11-15 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] CGI-WRAPPER
  13. 2001-11-15 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations report, Next executive meeting, Outline of the years goals
  14. 2001-11-15 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] MS Access under Linux
  15. 2001-11-15 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] MS Access under Linux
  16. 2001-11-15 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] fyi
  17. 2001-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Nominations report, Next executive meeting, Outline of the years goals
  18. 2001-11-15 Dana Hudes <dhudes-at-hudes.org> Subject: [hangout] fyi
  19. 2001-11-14 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Need a Dell Laptop Repair Shop
  20. 2001-11-13 jonathan hirschman <jonathan-at-hirschman.net> Re: [hangout] Perl Class: Mailing List is up
  21. 2001-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Class: Mailing List is up
  22. 2001-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: wednesday meeting
  23. 2001-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: Object Perl Monger wanted
  24. 2001-11-13 From: "Dana Hudes" <dhudes-at-hudes.org> Subject: [hangout] Fw: Object Perl Monger wanted
  25. 2001-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Complete Educational program and Fund Raising
  26. 2001-11-13 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Problem with http://nylxs.com
  27. 2001-11-13 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Problem with http://nylxs.com
  28. 2001-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ANNOUNCEMENT: Brooklyn Tech
  29. 2001-11-13 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Problem with http://nylxs.com
  30. 2001-11-13 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Fee Software JOBS EXPO
  31. 2001-11-13 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] Perl IRC Bot Lecture
  32. 2001-11-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Problem with http://nylxs.com
  33. 2001-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fee Software JOBS EXPO
  34. 2001-11-13 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] NEW Proposed Constitution TEMPLATE November 12th
  35. 2001-11-13 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] NEW Proposed Constitution TEMPLATE November 12th
  36. 2001-11-12 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  37. 2001-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  38. 2001-11-12 From: "Michael M. L. Broggy" <mbroggy-at-xooyooz.com> Re: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  39. 2001-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Feast Happiness
  40. 2001-11-12 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  41. 2001-11-12 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] InstallFeast
  42. 2001-11-12 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Problem with http://nylxs.com
  43. 2001-11-12 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: (fwd) [hangout] Plane Crash in Queens
  44. 2001-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Plane Crash in Queens
  45. 2001-11-12 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Problem with http://nylxs.com
  46. 2001-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Problem with http://nylxs.com
  47. 2001-11-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Problem with http://nylxs.com
  48. 2001-11-11 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  49. 2001-11-11 marcusconti-at-excite.com Re: [hangout] Standing Commitees
  50. 2001-11-11 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Noon Monday 12 November 2001: Rally to Free Dmitry
  51. 2001-11-11 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  52. 2001-11-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Road Map
  53. 2001-11-10 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Standing Commitees
  54. 2001-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: [hangout] ANNOUNCEMENT:Fair USe Action on Sunday [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  55. 2001-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ANNOUNCEMENT:Fair USe Action on Sunday
  56. 2001-11-09 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] What will nylxs taxable status be (i.e. profit,
  57. 2001-11-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Sunday 11 November 2001 Install Fest at Ruben's in Brooklyn
  58. 2001-11-08 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] What will nylxs taxable status be (i.e. profit,
  59. 2001-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What will nylxs taxable status be (i.e. profit, non-profit, not for profit, Ltd...)?
  60. 2001-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] NYNMA Law and Business Sig: Monday, Nov. 12 [sfiller-at-nylawline.com]
  61. 2001-11-08 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Standing Commitees
  62. 2001-11-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] openssh upgrades
  63. 2001-11-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] openssh upgrades
  64. 2001-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Standing Commitees
  65. 2001-11-08 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] What will nylxs taxable status be (i.e. profit,
  66. 2001-11-08 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Standing Commitees
  67. 2001-11-08 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Announcement: Perl Bots Talk From NYLXS
  68. 2001-11-08 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Announcement: The Installfest
  69. 2001-11-08 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] (fwd) [nylug-talk] NYLUG.org 11/12, Nov meeting, Monday -at- 6:30pm
  70. 2001-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Standing Commitees
  71. 2001-11-08 marcusconti-at-excite.com Subject: [hangout] Standing Commitees
  72. 2001-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What will nylxs taxable status be (i.e. profit, non-profit, not for profit, Ltd...)?
  73. 2001-11-07 From: "Michael E. George" <meg7-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] What will nylxs taxable status be (i.e. profit, non-profit, not for
  74. 2001-11-07 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Announcement: The Installfest
  75. 2001-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement: Perl Bots Talk From NYLXS
  76. 2001-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement: Officer Nomination Meeting
  77. 2001-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Announcement: Fair Use Planning Meeting
  78. 2001-11-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement: Fair Use Planning Meeting
  79. 2001-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement: NYLXS Meeting tonight
  80. 2001-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CANCEL NOTICE: Tuesday 6 November 2001 LXNY Meeting is Cancelled
  81. 2001-11-06 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] CANCEL NOTICE: Tuesday 6 November 2001 LXNY Meeting is Cancelled
  82. 2001-11-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] openssh upgrades
  83. 2001-11-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  84. 2001-11-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] openssh upgrades
  85. 2001-11-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] teaching perl: testing scripts
  86. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] openssh upgrades
  87. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Comments on Proposed Constitution
  88. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] teaching perl: testing scripts
  89. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [nylug-talk] Re: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  90. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [nylug-talk] Re: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  91. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [nylug-talk] Re: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  92. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [nylug-talk] Re: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  93. 2001-11-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [nylug-talk] Re: [hangout] openssh - key based authentication
  94. 2001-11-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Equiptment
  95. 2001-11-05 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Alan Cox and freedom
  96. 2001-11-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware Support for Linux/Why Not XP
  97. 2001-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Coming Week Schedule
  98. 2001-11-04 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  99. 2001-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Support for Linux/Why Not XP
  100. 2001-11-04 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  101. 2001-11-04 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Noon Monday 5 November 2001: Rally to Free Dmitry
  102. 2001-11-04 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  103. 2001-11-04 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's
  104. 2001-11-04 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  105. 2001-11-04 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Hardrives, Bios and Linux
  106. 2001-11-02 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part
  107. 2001-11-02 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part in the Microsoft anti-trust action.
  108. 2001-11-02 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part in the Microsoft anti-trust action.
  109. 2001-11-02 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Richard Schwartz is in charge of New York state's part in the
  110. 2001-11-02 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] hard drives and bios
  111. 2001-11-02 Abdele Darius Sabre <randombeeps-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Lending Library (was used books)
  112. 2001-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Post - Welcome
  113. 2001-11-02 bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com Subject: [hangout] First Post - Welcome
  114. 2001-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Announcment
  115. 2001-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Airport security
  116. 2001-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lending Library (was used books)
  117. 2001-11-02 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [hangout] Airport security
  118. 2001-11-01 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] hard drives and bios
  119. 2001-11-01 Ruth Shanen <casandra-at-ix.netcom.com> Re: [hangout] Proposed Constitution TEMPLATE
  120. 2001-11-23 hangout-at-nylxs.com Re: [hangout] IBM and Linux

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