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It takes a village to raise an idiot.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael L Richardson <
mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> wrote:

> "It takes a village to raise a child".
>
>
> Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>> March 3, 2009
>> Basics
>> In a Helpless Baby, the Roots of Our Social Glue
>> By NATALIE ANGIER
>>
>> In seeking bipartisan support for his economic policies, President Obama
>> has tried every tip on the standard hospitality crib sheet: beer and
>> football, milk and cookies, Earth, Wind and Fire.
>>
>> Maybe the president needs to borrow a new crib sheet =97 the kind with a
>> genuine baby wrapped inside.
>>
>> A baby may look helpless. It can=92t walk, talk, think symbolically or
>> overhaul the nation=92s banking system. Yet as social emulsifiers go,
>> nothing can beat a happily babbling baby. A baby is born knowing how to
>> work the crowd. A toothless smile here, a musical squeal there, and even
>> hard-nosed cynics grow soft in the head and weak in the knees.
>>
>> In the view of the primatologist Sarah Blaffer Hrdy, the extraordinary
>> social skills of an infant are at the heart of what makes us human.
>> Through its ability to solicit and secure the attentive care not just of
>> its mother but of many others in its sensory purview, a baby promotes
>> many of the behaviors and emotions that we prize in ourselves and that
>> often distinguish us from other animals, including a willingness to
>> share, to cooperate with strangers, to relax one=92s guard, uncurl one=
=92s
>> lip and widen one=92s pronoun circle beyond the stifling confines of me,
>> myself and mine.
>>
>> As Dr. Hrdy argues in her latest book, =93Mothers and Others: The
>> Evolutionary Origins of Mutual Understanding,=94 which will be published
>> by Harvard University Press in April, human babies are so outrageously
>> dependent on their elders for such a long time that humanity would never
>> have made it without a break from the great ape model of child-rearing.
>> Chimpanzee and gorilla mothers are capable of rearing their offspring
>> pretty much through their own powers, but human mothers are not.
>>
>> Human beings evolved as cooperative breeders, says Dr. Hrdy, a
>> reproductive strategy in which mothers are assisted by as-if mothers, or
>> =93allomothers,=94 individuals of either sex who help care for and feed =
the
>> young. Most biologists would concur that humans have evolved the need
>> for shared child care, but Dr. Hrdy takes it a step further, arguing
>> that our status as cooperative breeders, rather than our exceptionally
>> complex brains, helps explain many aspects of our temperament. Our
>> relative pacifism, for example, or the expectation that we can fly from
>> New York to Los Angeles without fear of personal dismemberment.
>> Chimpanzees are pretty smart, but were you to board an airplane filled
>> with chimpanzees, you =93would be lucky to disembark with all 10 fingers
>> and toes still attached,=94 Dr. Hrdy writes.
>>
>> Our capacity to cooperate in groups, to empathize with others and to
>> wonder what others are thinking and feeling =97 all these traits, Dr. Hr=
dy
>> argues, probably arose in response to the selective pressures of being
>> in a cooperatively breeding social group, and the need to trust and rely
>> on others and be deemed trustworthy and reliable in turn. Babies became
>> adorable and keen to make connections with every passing adult gaze.
>> Mothers became willing to play pass the baby. Dr. Hrdy points out that
>> mother chimpanzees and gorillas jealously hold on to their infants for
>> the first six months or more of life. Other females may express real
>> interest in the newborn, but the mother does not let go: you never know
>> when one of those females will turn infanticidal, or be unwilling or
>> unable to defend the young ape against an infanticidal male.
>>
>> By contrast, human mothers in virtually every culture studied allow
>> others to hold their babies from birth onward, to a greater or lesser
>> extent depending on tradition. Among the !Kung foragers of the Kalahari,
>> babies are held by a father, grandmother, older sibling or some other
>> allomother maybe 25 percent of the time. Among the Efe foragers of
>> Central Africa, babies spend 60 percent of their daylight hours being
>> toted around by somebody other than their mother. In 87 percent of
>> foraging societies, mothers sometimes suckle each other=92s children,
>> another remarkable display of social trust.
>>
>> Dr. Hrdy wrote her book in part to counter what she sees as the reigning
>> dogma among evolutionary scholars that humans evolved their extreme
>> sociality and cooperative behavior to better compete with other humans.
>> =93I=92m not comfortable accepting this idea that the origins of
>> hypersociality can be found in warfare, or that in-group amity arose in
>> the interest of out-group enmity,=94 she said in a telephone interview.
>> Sure, humans have been notably violent and militaristic for the last
>> 12,000 or so years, she said, when hunter-gatherers started settling
>> down and defending territories, and populations started getting
>> seriously dense. But before then? There weren=92t enough people around t=
o
>> wage wars. By the latest estimates, the average population size during
>> the hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution that preceded the
>> Neolithic Age may have been around 2,000 breeding adults. =93What would
>> humans have been fighting over?=94 Dr. Hrdy said. =93They were too busy
>> trying to keep themselves and their children alive.=94
>>
>> Dr. Hrdy also argues that our human ancestors became emotionally modern
>> long before the human brain had reached its current average volume of
>> 1,300 cubic centimeters, which is about three times the size of a
>> chimpanzee brain =97 in other words, that we became the nicest apes befo=
re
>> becoming the smartest. You don=92t need a bulging brain to evolve
>> cooperative breeding. Many species of birds breed cooperatively, as do
>> lions, rats, meerkats, wolves and marmosets, among others. But to become
>> a cooperatively breeding ape, and to persuade a bunch of smart,
>> hot-tempered, suspicious, politically cunning primates to start sharing
>> child care and provisionings, now that took a novel evolutionary
>> development, the advent of this thing called trust.
>>
>> To explain the rise of cooperative breeding among our forebears, Dr.
>> Hrdy synthesizes an array of new research in anthropology, genetics,
>> infant development, comparative biology. She notes that recent research
>> has overturned the longstanding insistence that humans are a patrilocal
>> species, that is, with women moving away from their birth families to
>> join their husbands. Instead, it seems that young mothers in many
>> traditional societies have their own mothers and other female relatives
>> close at hand, and who better to trust with baby care than your mom or
>> your aunt? New studies have also shown the importance of postmenopausal
>> women to gathering roots and tubers, the sort of unsexy foods that are
>> difficult to disinter and lack the succulent status of, say, a freshly
>> killed oryx, but that just may help feed the kids in hard times. Other
>> anthropologists have made the startling discovery that children have
>> entertainment value, and that among traditional cultures without
>> television or Internet access, a bobble-headed baby is the best show in
>> town.
>>
>> However cooperative breeding got started, its impact on human evolution
>> was profound. With helpers in the nest, women could give birth to
>> offspring with ever longer childhoods =97 the better to build big brains
>> and stout immune systems =97 and, paradoxically, at ever shrinking
>> intervals. The average time between births for a chimpanzee mother is
>> about six years; for a human mother, it=92s two or three years. As a
>> result of our combined braininess and fecundity, humans have managed to
>> colonize the planet; exploit, marginalize or exterminate all competing
>> forms of life; build a vast military-industrial complex all under the
>> auspices of Bernard Madoff and with one yeti of a carbon footprint, and
>> will somebody please hand me that baby before it=92s too late.
>>
>>
>>
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It takes a village to raise an idiot.

On =
Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael L Richardson <href=3D"mailto:mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com">mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.coma>> wrote:

204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">"It takes a =
village to raise a child".




Ruben Safir wrote:

204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
March 3, 2009

Basics

In a Helpless Baby, the Roots of Our Social Glue

By NATALIE ANGIER



In seeking bipartisan support for his economic policies, President Obama>
has tried every tip on the standard hospitality crib sheet: beer and

football, milk and cookies, Earth, Wind and Fire.



Maybe the president needs to borrow a new crib sheet =97 the kind with a>
genuine baby wrapped inside.



A baby may look helpless. It can=92t walk, talk, think symbolically or

overhaul the nation=92s banking system. Yet as social emulsifiers go,

nothing can beat a happily babbling baby. A baby is born knowing how to

work the crowd. A toothless smile here, a musical squeal there, and even>
hard-nosed cynics grow soft in the head and weak in the knees.



In the view of the primatologist Sarah Blaffer Hrdy, the extraordinary

social skills of an infant are at the heart of what makes us human.

Through its ability to solicit and secure the attentive care not just of>
its mother but of many others in its sensory purview, a baby promotes

many of the behaviors and emotions that we prize in ourselves and that

often distinguish us from other animals, including a willingness to

share, to cooperate with strangers, to relax one=92s guard, uncurl one=92s<=
br>
lip and widen one=92s pronoun circle beyond the stifling confines of me,>
myself and mine.



As Dr. Hrdy argues in her latest book, =93Mothers and Others: The

Evolutionary Origins of Mutual Understanding,=94 which will be published>
by Harvard University Press in April, human babies are so outrageously

dependent on their elders for such a long time that humanity would never>
have made it without a break from the great ape model of child-rearing.

Chimpanzee and gorilla mothers are capable of rearing their offspring

pretty much through their own powers, but human mothers are not.



Human beings evolved as cooperative breeders, says Dr. Hrdy, a

reproductive strategy in which mothers are assisted by as-if mothers, or>
=93allomothers,=94 individuals of either sex who help care for and feed the=


young. Most biologists would concur that humans have evolved the need

for shared child care, but Dr. Hrdy takes it a step further, arguing

that our status as cooperative breeders, rather than our exceptionally

complex brains, helps explain many aspects of our temperament. Our

relative pacifism, for example, or the expectation that we can fly from

New York to Los Angeles without fear of personal dismemberment.

Chimpanzees are pretty smart, but were you to board an airplane filled

with chimpanzees, you =93would be lucky to disembark with all 10 fingers>
and toes still attached,=94 Dr. Hrdy writes.



Our capacity to cooperate in groups, to empathize with others and to

wonder what others are thinking and feeling =97 all these traits, Dr. Hrdy<=
br>
argues, probably arose in response to the selective pressures of being

in a cooperatively breeding social group, and the need to trust and rely>
on others and be deemed trustworthy and reliable in turn. Babies became

adorable and keen to make connections with every passing adult gaze.

Mothers became willing to play pass the baby. Dr. Hrdy points out that

mother chimpanzees and gorillas jealously hold on to their infants for

the first six months or more of life. Other females may express real

interest in the newborn, but the mother does not let go: you never know

when one of those females will turn infanticidal, or be unwilling or

unable to defend the young ape against an infanticidal male.



By contrast, human mothers in virtually every culture studied allow

others to hold their babies from birth onward, to a greater or lesser

extent depending on tradition. Among the !Kung foragers of the Kalahari,>
babies are held by a father, grandmother, older sibling or some other

allomother maybe 25 percent of the time. Among the Efe foragers of

Central Africa, babies spend 60 percent of their daylight hours being

toted around by somebody other than their mother. In 87 percent of

foraging societies, mothers sometimes suckle each other=92s children,

another remarkable display of social trust.



Dr. Hrdy wrote her book in part to counter what she sees as the reigning>
dogma among evolutionary scholars that humans evolved their extreme

sociality and cooperative behavior to better compete with other humans.

=93I=92m not comfortable accepting this idea that the origins of

hypersociality can be found in warfare, or that in-group amity arose in

the interest of out-group enmity,=94 she said in a telephone interview.

Sure, humans have been notably violent and militaristic for the last

12,000 or so years, she said, when hunter-gatherers started settling

down and defending territories, and populations started getting

seriously dense. But before then? There weren=92t enough people around tor>
wage wars. By the latest estimates, the average population size during

the hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution that preceded the

Neolithic Age may have been around 2,000 breeding adults. =93What would

humans have been fighting over?=94 Dr. Hrdy said. =93They were too busy

trying to keep themselves and their children alive.=94



Dr. Hrdy also argues that our human ancestors became emotionally modern

long before the human brain had reached its current average volume of

1,300 cubic centimeters, which is about three times the size of a

chimpanzee brain =97 in other words, that we became the nicest apes before<=
br>
becoming the smartest. You don=92t need a bulging brain to evolve

cooperative breeding. Many species of birds breed cooperatively, as do

lions, rats, meerkats, wolves and marmosets, among others. But to become>
a cooperatively breeding ape, and to persuade a bunch of smart,

hot-tempered, suspicious, politically cunning primates to start sharing

child care and provisionings, now that took a novel evolutionary

development, the advent of this thing called trust.



To explain the rise of cooperative breeding among our forebears, Dr.

Hrdy synthesizes an array of new research in anthropology, genetics,

infant development, comparative biology. She notes that recent research

has overturned the longstanding insistence that humans are a patrilocal

species, that is, with women moving away from their birth families to

join their husbands. Instead, it seems that young mothers in many

traditional societies have their own mothers and other female relatives

close at hand, and who better to trust with baby care than your mom or

your aunt? New studies have also shown the importance of postmenopausal

women to gathering roots and tubers, the sort of unsexy foods that are

difficult to disinter and lack the succulent status of, say, a freshly

killed oryx, but that just may help feed the kids in hard times. Other

anthropologists have made the startling discovery that children have

entertainment value, and that among traditional cultures without

television or Internet access, a bobble-headed baby is the best show in

town.



However cooperative breeding got started, its impact on human evolution

was profound. With helpers in the nest, women could give birth to

offspring with ever longer childhoods =97 the better to build big brains>
and stout immune systems =97 and, paradoxically, at ever shrinking

intervals. The average time between births for a chimpanzee mother is

about six years; for a human mother, it=92s two or three years. As a

result of our combined braininess and fecundity, humans have managed to

colonize the planet; exploit, marginalize or exterminate all competing

forms of life; build a vast military-industrial complex all under the

auspices of Bernard Madoff and with one yeti of a carbon footprint, and

will somebody please hand me that baby before it=92s too late.



=A0




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  21. 2009-03-02 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  22. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  23. 2009-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  24. 2009-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  25. 2009-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pirate Radio are Terrorists....no realy..
  26. 2009-03-03 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  27. 2009-03-03 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  28. 2009-03-03 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  29. 2009-03-03 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  30. 2009-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the
  31. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux Art Programs
  32. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting/Planniong Meeting TONIGHT
  33. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: C++/Linux Infrastructure Architect]
  34. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BOARD MEETING TONIGHT
  35. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  36. 2009-03-05 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Space
  37. 2009-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Black Hole which is the MTA
  38. 2009-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What fare increases buys you
  39. 2009-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] looking for a lawyer
  40. 2009-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Space
  41. 2009-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fundraising
  42. 2009-03-07 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Space
  43. 2009-03-07 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internetty
  44. 2009-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting this week
  45. 2009-03-09 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting this week
  46. 2009-03-11 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting this week
  47. 2009-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [malmonte-at-searchedp.com: Senior RedHat Linux Systems Administrator.]
  48. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mutt Question
  49. 2009-03-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mutt Question
  50. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mutt Question
  51. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  52. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need a Hack ASAP
  53. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [admin-at-pharmaupdatenewsservice.com: Press Release: DOJ to Address Lilly's Landmark $1.4 Billion Zyprexa Settlement]
  54. 2009-03-15 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  55. 2009-03-15 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need a Hack ASAP
  56. 2009-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need a Hack ASAP
  57. 2009-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nukes R Us
  58. 2009-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  59. 2009-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Why there are MTA Budget Cuts
  60. 2009-03-17 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  61. 2009-03-18 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  62. 2009-03-18 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  63. 2009-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] CRT Video Wire
  64. 2009-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The MTA press agentat the NY Times
  65. 2009-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn Verses the MTA
  66. 2009-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Finally the TRUTH from Newsday
  67. 2009-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA getting ready for the next crisis in 2010
  68. 2009-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA Blog
  69. 2009-03-20 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  70. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Laptops reach 10% or market
  71. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is still theft
  72. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Face your enemy
  73. 2009-03-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Face your enemy
  74. 2009-03-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Laptops reach 10% or market
  75. 2009-03-22 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is still theft
  76. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Face your enemy
  77. 2009-03-22 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  78. 2009-03-22 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  79. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] supporting a sane MTA
  80. 2009-03-22 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  81. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsofts Doomsday Worm
  82. 2009-03-22 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsofts Doomsday Worm
  83. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Local Crack Monkey Action
  84. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  85. 2009-03-24 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  86. 2009-03-24 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday
  87. 2009-03-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  88. 2009-03-24 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  89. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  90. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  91. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  92. 2009-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA is not done yet
  93. 2009-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Service/Fund Raising - Meeting
  94. 2009-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA Motivations
  95. 2009-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA - Intellectual Property Rights Wariors
  96. 2009-03-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA - Intellectual Property Rights Wariors
  97. 2009-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Future of Pharmacy
  98. 2009-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this isn't fixed this will go on forever
  99. 2009-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Paging Paul
  100. 2009-03-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Service/Fund Raising - Meeting
  101. 2009-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Service/Fund Raising - Meeting
  102. 2009-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  103. 2009-03-28 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Future of Pharmacy
  104. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  105. 2009-03-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  106. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  107. 2009-03-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  108. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  109. 2009-03-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  110. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  111. 2009-03-29 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  112. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Why the MTA screws Brooklyn every time
  113. 2009-03-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  114. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  115. 2009-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  116. 2009-03-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  117. 2009-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  118. 2009-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Announcement: Meeting Thursday Evening at 7PM and the Marriot in
  119. 2009-03-30 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Announcement: Meeting Thursday Evening at 7PM and the Marriot in Brooklyn
  120. 2009-03-31 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  121. 2009-03-31 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Critics slam Microsoft bridge as waste of stimulus money",
  122. 2009-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA Vrs Kruger - an unexpected allie in the Village Voice

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