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DATE 2009-03-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2009-03-22
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is still theft
piralFrog users can continue to play songs obtained from the now defunct
company for two more months before they become inaccessible, according
to a source close to the company.

The ad-supported music service shuttered its Web site late Thursday
evening and ceased operations, the source told CNET. Some customers of
the service asked on Friday how long their music, which is wrapped in
copy-protection software, will continue to play. A source familiar with
SpiralFrog's operations said the service's digital rights management
technology, designed to prevent unauthorized copying, will lock up the
music indefinitely after 60 days. The songs could live again should
SpiralFrog's assets be acquired and the new owner decide to relaunch the
service, the source said.

DRM critics will certainly cite this as further proof that the
technology is anti-consumer. The software remains hugely unpopular among
many music fans for limiting their ability to play songs on devices of
their choice. The critics argue that a person never really owns
DRM-locked music because they need server keys provided by service
operators to unlock the songs. But Christopher Levy, a vocal proponent
of the technology and considered one of the leading experts in the
field, questioned whether customers should be angered about losing music
they never paid a cent for.

Christopher Levy
(Credit: BuyDRM)

"(Protecting songs with DRM) was the only way that SpiralFrog could
offer the model," Levy said. "The record labels refused to go to market
without it. This was a very good business proposition for consumers.
They received free music as long as they agreed to be bombarded by
advertisements...I think it's hard to criticize the company...I think 60
days is very impressive."

Levy, who owns the company BuyDRM, says consumers deal with DRM every
day in ways they don't notice. The technology is improving and soon it
will be even less obtrusive. The technology helps protects the rights of
content creators, consumers, and technologists, he said.

"When DRM is right in the middle of all three, that is where happiness
is," Levy said. "Consumers are getting more comfortable with DRM and it
isn't going away. It may need to change, but it's not going away."

Antipiracy software is used by the film industry and by music
subscription services, such as Napster and RealNetwork's Rhapsody. But
in the past year, download sites like Apple's iTunes and Amazon have
rejected copy-protection software with the blessing of the major record
companies.

The Federal Trade Commission on Wednesday is hosting a conference on the
use of DRM at the University of Washington School of Law, said Levy, who
will speak at the gathering.

According to an FTC press release, DRM "is expected to become
increasingly prevalent in the U.S. marketplace in the coming years" and
address "the need to improve disclosures to consumers about DRM
limitations."
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http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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  1. 2009-03-01 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  2. 2009-03-01 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  3. 2009-03-01 Justin Lintz <jlintz-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  4. 2009-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  5. 2009-03-02 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] html email
  6. 2009-03-02 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  7. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  8. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] html email
  9. 2009-03-02 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  10. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Justice!
  11. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  12. 2009-03-02 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  13. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  14. 2009-03-02 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  15. 2009-03-02 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  16. 2009-03-02 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  17. 2009-03-02 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  18. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  19. 2009-03-02 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  20. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  21. 2009-03-02 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  22. 2009-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  23. 2009-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What NYLXS Means to Me
  24. 2009-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  25. 2009-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pirate Radio are Terrorists....no realy..
  26. 2009-03-03 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  27. 2009-03-03 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  28. 2009-03-03 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  29. 2009-03-03 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the genes
  30. 2009-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Cooperative - it is in the
  31. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux Art Programs
  32. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Board Meeting/Planniong Meeting TONIGHT
  33. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: C++/Linux Infrastructure Architect]
  34. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BOARD MEETING TONIGHT
  35. 2009-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  36. 2009-03-05 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Space
  37. 2009-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Black Hole which is the MTA
  38. 2009-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What fare increases buys you
  39. 2009-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] looking for a lawyer
  40. 2009-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Space
  41. 2009-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fundraising
  42. 2009-03-07 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Space
  43. 2009-03-07 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internetty
  44. 2009-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting this week
  45. 2009-03-09 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting this week
  46. 2009-03-11 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting this week
  47. 2009-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [malmonte-at-searchedp.com: Senior RedHat Linux Systems Administrator.]
  48. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mutt Question
  49. 2009-03-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mutt Question
  50. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mutt Question
  51. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  52. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need a Hack ASAP
  53. 2009-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [admin-at-pharmaupdatenewsservice.com: Press Release: DOJ to Address Lilly's Landmark $1.4 Billion Zyprexa Settlement]
  54. 2009-03-15 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  55. 2009-03-15 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need a Hack ASAP
  56. 2009-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need a Hack ASAP
  57. 2009-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nukes R Us
  58. 2009-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  59. 2009-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Why there are MTA Budget Cuts
  60. 2009-03-17 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  61. 2009-03-18 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  62. 2009-03-18 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  63. 2009-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] CRT Video Wire
  64. 2009-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The MTA press agentat the NY Times
  65. 2009-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn Verses the MTA
  66. 2009-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Finally the TRUTH from Newsday
  67. 2009-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA getting ready for the next crisis in 2010
  68. 2009-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA Blog
  69. 2009-03-20 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  70. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Laptops reach 10% or market
  71. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is still theft
  72. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Face your enemy
  73. 2009-03-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Face your enemy
  74. 2009-03-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Laptops reach 10% or market
  75. 2009-03-22 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is still theft
  76. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Face your enemy
  77. 2009-03-22 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  78. 2009-03-22 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  79. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] supporting a sane MTA
  80. 2009-03-22 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The evil that is the MTA
  81. 2009-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsofts Doomsday Worm
  82. 2009-03-22 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsofts Doomsday Worm
  83. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Local Crack Monkey Action
  84. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  85. 2009-03-24 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  86. 2009-03-24 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday
  87. 2009-03-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  88. 2009-03-24 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  89. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  90. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  91. 2009-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [campaignforny-at-gmail.com: MTA doomsday tomorrow!]
  92. 2009-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA is not done yet
  93. 2009-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Service/Fund Raising - Meeting
  94. 2009-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA Motivations
  95. 2009-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA - Intellectual Property Rights Wariors
  96. 2009-03-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA - Intellectual Property Rights Wariors
  97. 2009-03-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Future of Pharmacy
  98. 2009-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this isn't fixed this will go on forever
  99. 2009-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Paging Paul
  100. 2009-03-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Service/Fund Raising - Meeting
  101. 2009-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Service/Fund Raising - Meeting
  102. 2009-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  103. 2009-03-28 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Future of Pharmacy
  104. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  105. 2009-03-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  106. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  107. 2009-03-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  108. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  109. 2009-03-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  110. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  111. 2009-03-29 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  112. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Why the MTA screws Brooklyn every time
  113. 2009-03-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  114. 2009-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  115. 2009-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  116. 2009-03-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  117. 2009-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
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