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DATE 2016-10-10
FROM Steve Brusatte
SUBJECT Re: [Learn] phylogeny tyrannosauroid dinosaurs
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Ruben,
There is a huge literature on tyrannosaur osteology and anatomy, so you
should easily be able to find descriptive papers and diagrams of the
various bones of the skull. The image you attach is something from the web
and it's a spinosaur, so a very different type of dinosaur than a
tyrannosaur. Your best place to start is my 2012 monograph of the
tyrannosaur Alioramus, in the American Museum Bulletin. You can download it
free online.

Steve

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:18 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:

> On 10/08/2016 06:32 AM, Steve Brusatte wrote:
> > I don't have a diagram, but it's a straightforward character. The
> > premaxilla has a ventral margin (along the tooth row) and an anterior
> > margin (that forms the front of the snout). The character has do do with
> > the angle between those two margins.
> >
> > Steve
>
> Thanks Steven
>
> The only diagrams I can seem to find to help understand the
> characteristics listed in your paper is the one attached. Obviously,
> the detail is much great than this. characteristic 14, for example,
> discusses interdental plates and a deep lingual surface of premaxilla.
> I'm using your paper for a thesis and would like to have a significant
> understanding of the characteristics your using to churn the data. I've
> look at the school library and it is not sufficient for this kind of
> detail, so any suggestions would be appreciated (other than, don't use
> my paper and go away ;) )
>
> The dental plate was significant to identifying Archaeopteryx as a
> dinosaur so there should be a generalized idealized diagram somewhere.
>
> Reuvain Safir
>
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Ruben Safir > > > wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I'm pouring over your paper on phylogeny tyrannosauroid dinosaurs as
> > part of my thesis work on computational modeling for the creation of
> > phylogentic graphs. I'm not understanding what you are measuring in
> > characteristic 13. Do you have an example of a diagram of what is
> being
> > measured?
> >
> > (Premaxilla orientationa nd shape of anterior margin)
> >
> > I don't know what ventral and anterior margins are and what angle is
> > being measured.
> >
> >
> > Ruben Safir
> >
> > --
> > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
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> > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
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> > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Brusatte, PhD
> > School of GeoSciences, University of Edinburgh
> > http://sites.google.com/site/brusatte/
>
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
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> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
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>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>



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Ruben,
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attach is something from the web and it's a spinosaur, so a very diffe=
rent type of dinosaur than a tyrannosaur. Your best place to start is my 20=
12 monograph of the tyrannosaur Alioramus, in the American Museum Bulletin.=
You can download it free online.

Steve
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> I don't have a diagram, but it's a straightforward character. =
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> premaxilla has a ventral margin (along the tooth row) and an anterior<=
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> the angle between those two margins.

>

> Steve



Thanks Steven



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my paper and go away ;) )



The dental plate was significant to identifying Archaeopteryx as a

dinosaur so there should be a generalized idealized diagram somewhere.



Reuvain Safir



>

> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Ruben Safir <en-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com

> <mailto:ailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>> wrote:

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hello

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm pouring over your paper on phylogeny tyrann=
osauroid dinosaurs as

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>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't know what ventral and anterior margins =
are and what angle is

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0being measured.

>

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ruben Safir

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--

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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological<=
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>

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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0but incompatible with living as a free human being.=
-RI Safir 2013

>

>

>

>

> --

> Stephen Brusatte, PhD

> School of GeoSciences, University of Edinburgh

> target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/brusatte/





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