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DATE 2016-10-10
FROM Dalton Meyer
SUBJECT Re: [Learn] [dinosaur] phylogeny tyrannosauroid dinosaurs
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From: Dalton Meyer
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 23:23:41 -0600
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In the images of this web page are two images of a Tyrannosaurus rex skull
that are labeled. These should help you better understand the paper.
http://www.skeletaldrawing.com/anatomy/

All the best,
Dalton Meyer

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

> On 10/08/2016 06:08 AM, David Marjanovic wrote:
> >> I don't know what ventral and anterior margins are and what angle is
> >> being measured.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> 13) Premaxilla, orientation and shape of anterior margin: smoothly
> >> curved and projection posterodorsally, angle between ventral margin of
> >> premaxilla and anterior margin is less than 90 degrees (0); smoothly
> >> curved and projecting vertically or slightly anterodorsally, angle
> >> between ventral margin of premaxilla and anterior margin is equal to or
> >> greater than 90 degrees (1); projecting vertically or slightly
> >> anterodorsally, with a discrete inflection point between a more vertical
> >> ventral portion and a more horizontal dorsal portion (2). ORDERED
> >> (Brusatte et al. 2010:13).
> >
> > "Anterior" is simply "front". "Ventral" is "down" in this and most other
> cases: venter = belly. So, the ventral margin of the pmx is the one with
> the teeth. You hold a ruler to the front side, another along the toothrow,
> and measure the angle between them.
> >
> > The character could also be worded as "pmx pointed (0); blunt, rounded
> (1); rectangular or slightly overhanging (2)", but that wouldn't be precise
> enough to deal with borderline cases. (In my work I've encountered lots of
> characters that were worded in such imprecise ways, and lots of borderline
> cases that were hard to score for such characters.)
> >
>
>
> Thanks. Is there a detailed diagram f the Tyrannosaur skull anywhere so
> that I can follow this paper better?
>
> Ruben
>
> --
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  25. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] AI research
  26. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] CTScan in paelo
  27. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Re: [dinosaur] phylogeny tyrannosauroid dinosaurs
  28. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] http://palaeos.com/phylogeny/index.html
  29. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Learn] maxillary fenestra and promaxillary fenestra
  30. 2016-10-10 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Subject: [Learn] Paleo meeting time
  31. 2016-10-10 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Subject: [Learn] Paleo meeting time
  32. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] promaxillary fenestra
  33. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Invitation: Phylogenetics project mtg -at- Thu 2016-10-13
  34. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Library access
  35. 2016-10-13 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: access to the screen
  36. 2016-10-13 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: access to the screen
  37. 2016-10-13 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] graphics
  38. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] a new generation discovers freedom
  39. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Check out this picture...
  40. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Check out this picture...
  41. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Check out this picture...
  42. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Check out this picture...
  43. 2016-10-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] 3d scanning in the field
  44. 2016-10-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Learn] 3d scanning in the field
  45. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Jobs
  46. 2016-10-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] tomorrows schedule and plan got the week
  47. 2016-10-20 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] tomorrows schedule and plan got the week
  48. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] tomorrows schedule and plan got the week
  49. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] publication
  50. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] thesis resources
  51. 2016-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Phylogenetics educational links
  52. 2016-10-27 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] Phylogenetics educational links
  53. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Phylogenetics educational links
  54. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Phylogenetics educational links
  55. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Phylogenetics educational links
  56. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Phylogenetics educational links
  57. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Orders for the Thesis,
  58. 2016-10-31 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] cuda kernels
  59. 2016-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] cuda kernels
  60. 2016-10-31 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] cudaMallac
  61. 2016-10-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] cudaMallac
  62. 2016-10-31 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Subject: [Learn] Computational evolution
  63. 2016-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] cuda kernels
  64. 2016-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] cudaMallac

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