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MESSAGE
DATE 2015-12-26
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [opensuse] The Post that got Carlos



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>From the Vitim of this insane purge.
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On 2015-12-26 11:08, Richard Brown wrote:
> On 25 December 2015 at 23:24, Ruben Safir <> wrote:
>> On 12/25/2015 06:17 PM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:
>>> What about not attacking people, behaving like an adult and not lying
>>> and if you really want, than pickup the right mail? Constant spreading
>>> of FUD across various mailing lists was one of the reasons for Carlos
>>> ban.

Michael, I was never spreading FUD. In the worst case, that's a matter
of opinion, thus I was banned for expressing my opinions.

Like now, I can not defend myself from what I feel are public attacks
by Richard and others. Perhaps someone can repost this to the mail list.

>>> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-11/msg00439.html
>>>
>>
>> in your sick mind you think that was worthy of a ban.
>>
>> Your nuts.
>>
>> Honestly.

A ban is supposed to correct behaviour. Well, as I have never understood
what I did wrong, I can not correct my behaviour. And three months is
excesive.



>
> Honestly, conducting yourself in accordance with our guiding
> principles ( https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Guiding_principles )
> would be a lot productive. Please calm down, review the link, and lets
> discuss anything which needs to be discussed in a respectful, adult,
> way, please?

The guiding principles only apply to Members. Not to other users or
contributors.

Because members have accepted them voluntarily. Imposing the code on
others is an imposition.


> As both I and now Michal have explained, there was not one post or
> incident that triggered Carlos' ban
>
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-11/msg00439.html was
> the final straw after a long string of issues on the -project,
> -factory, and -translation mailinglists

I apologized for that single post.
The rest are false accusations.



> I'll try to tackle this chronologically, but as this was a long drawn
> out affair I apologise in advance with anything I get muddled
>
> I think the first incident of relevance to this topic is the fact that
> Carlos was banned from forums.opensuse.org for repeatedly instigating
> & participating in unproductive discussions and arguments, including
> arguments with the admin staff of the forums. I do not have links to
> share on that as I was not personally a witness, but one of our admins
> posted about it here (in a thread which I will refer to more later):
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00806.html

About the web forum. Many people liked me (they have a method to
quantify that). I posted something like 20000 posts, although the
counter there says now something like 16. Only the web staff, and
perhaps a few others, thought differently. About arguing with
moderators: due to my mode of access (nntp) I can not distinguish who is
a moderator, and even less, when he is acting as moderator, and not as
another user.

After the forum ban, I decided that it was impossible to interact with
the forum without angering the staff somehow (impossible to me), and I
decided not to come back, and return to more tolerant waters. That I
thought.



> --
>
> One major incident (that included a number of examples which
> contributed to the ban) was the situation with translations
>
> This story is long and complicated, so for the sake of clarity and in
> the hope of putting this topic to bed I will do my best to summarise
> it here
>
> With the increased focused on Tumbleweed, and the fundamental changes
> to how Leap was being put together, it was clear that the previous
> tools, processes, and methods of our translation teams were no longer
> up to the job
>
> Or, to put it another way, Tumbleweed and Leap wasn't being translated
> at all. Carlos actually did a very good job of raising this concern
> some weeks before -
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-09/msg00777.html
>
> Some years ago, there was an effort by a number of contributors to
> implement 'Weblate' as a translation tool for openSUSE. It had some
> support from some translators, and significant support from developers
> across the project (as it was better aligned with the tooling and
> processes they were using, eg. git - therefore making it easier for
> them to contribute also). However there was vocal objection to it from
> some of our existing translators, including Carlos

Rather from the majority of the translators.

Have a look at this post, from another person, it explains very well the
issues:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-10/msg00057.html

ie, it was not me attacking fellow contributors, as you say in my ban
order. It was other contributors attacking translators, and that is
fine. We are lesser contributors. We "don't do it"-


> With both Tumbleweed and Leap translations paralysed by a lack of
> translations, a number of contributors took it upon themselves to
> implement Weblate and, as a proof of concept, went ahead and relocated
> some of the files requiring translation to Weblate

The non translation of TW is intentional. Many translators consider it
impossible to do, no matter what technical means are provided.
Translators typically prefer to translate only the stable releases, not
the betas.

The problem with Leap is lack of resources on some key positions. Not a
translator problem/issue.

And many of those files moved to weblate are still untranslated for
Leap. Have a look at the Spanish release notes - and there are about
half a dozen translators, so don't point at me.

...

>
> openSUSE is a Project that exists only because of its volunteer
> contributions. Having individuals criticising and attempting to block
> contributions needlessly is a toxic behaviour which dramatically
> impedes the productivity of our project. So in this case, I still feel
> Carlos was greatly in the wrong. I was also dreadfully concerned by
> his prevalent 'us vs them' attitude, which I posted about
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2015-10/msg00131.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2015-10/msg00082.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2015-10/msg00051.html

It is your doing. You can see it in this thread, too.


> The whole sordid mess somewhat died down when people actually started
> using Weblate to translate parts of Leap, but Carlos' mindset and
> behaviour with that topic is important to keep in mind if you want to
> understand the Board's collective decision making process.

That's a matter of opinion. I see it as a some developers and staff
destroying the work of translators. As proven. Leap is not translated.

Is this open? You are shutting up by force those that dissent with you!
You have proven it here.


>
> --
>
> A separate long, ongoing issue with Carlos on the factory mailinglist
> was what is now being described as the production of 'noise'.
> opensuse-factory is by definition and design a 'working' mailinglist,
> intended to productive discussions relevant to the development of the
> openSUSE distributions. Noise (off topic posts or posts with little or
> no content) ends up being junk which every developer has to sift
> through in order to conduct their regular contributions to openSUSE.
> Carlos has a well deserved reputation for being a huge source of such
> noise. He would regularly post short responses like "Yup" "I agree"
> and such - the kind of thing which might have a place in an
> opensuse-chat mailinglist or perhaps even this opensuse-at- support list,
> but in a list where we're meant to be discussing the development of
> our distributions, it was quite an annoyance. Also, even the more
> substantial posts he did provide, often conveyed a very strong 'I'm
> not a developer but you should do what I say' attitude..the kind of
> 'us vs them' attitude which raised it's ugly head during the
> translation issue.


Factory list being a list for developers only list is a recent idea from
you. And you have enforced it. Henne had to change the official
definition very recently, a week or two ago.

For decades factory mail list has the place where _users_ testing the
Beta version talked. People asking such questions on the standard mail
lists were told always to go away. This is a fact, which you can verify
yourself.


I posted one mail per issue because that's what the forum staff
enforced. I thought that it would be a good idea on the mail list, too.
It was never intended as any kind of agression, but as a method to make
things easier for all. It is more difficult for me.

A "me too" post is standard response in mail lists. It shows that more
people see the issue, that it is not a single occurrence.



>
> In small doses, none of these issues would be worth mentioning, but
> you have to consider that Carlos's prolific posting rate (one of the
> reasons he clearly is so popular here) meant that he was single
> handedly responsible for a huge percentage of the -factory mailinglist
> traffic. An avowed non-developer, producing 10%+ of all the traffic on
> the 800+ subscriber openSUSE development mailinglist is, no matter how
> well meaning, a nuisance, especially when most of those posts are
> easily classified as 'noise' and not helpful to the development of the
> openSUSE distributions.

That's your opinion. The factory mail list has always been subject to
that traffic, from many people, during beta phases.


> For example, Carlos regularly would post off topic, bug-report like
> posts, such as http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00019.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00028.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00045.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00047.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00049.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00062.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00063.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00454.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00679.html

See explanation above.


>
> And I'm sure there are more examples, I just don't want to spend hours
> writing this mail.
>
> On multiple occasions Carlos was informed to file bugs in bugzilla,
> where bugs are meant to be reported.
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00019.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00045.html but
> the bug-like reports continued.

As told to you often, this is done to ease jobs on bugzilla. First
comment on issues, then report in bugzilla if it is a real issue. Or
next, you will complain of noise in bugzila.


>
> In the end, the patience of other contributors started to fray, as
> clearly visible in this post from Martin -
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00688.html
>
> Carlos responded in what, sadly, a typically argumentative way,
> incorrectly declaring the purpose of the factory mailinglist (it is,
> and will likely always be, the projects main development list) -
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00693.html

False. This is true only now, because you have forced it this way.


> At this point, Andrew Wafaa from the openSUSE Board provided Carlos
> with a final warning, summarising the concerns we had regarding his
> behaviour - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00709.html
>
> He responded in an argumentative manner..
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00723.html

Because it was all false. Can I not defend myself?

>
> The thread bounced around a bit while people less aware of Carlos'
> behaviour asked questions. This led to Jim's explanation from the
> Forum admins team -
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00806.html and
> Andrew from the Board -
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00745.html


Web issues do not apply here.

>
> It also included posts much like this one from me (just a lot shorter)
> citing more examples of behaviour which the Board considered -
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00776.html
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00781.html

Proven false.

>
> I also tried again to reason with Carlos and better explain the scope
> and scale of the Boards concerns -
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-10/msg00877.html
>
> And despite a bit of back and forth discussion even after that point,
> the end result was that everyone moved on, and Carlos continued
> posting, and for a while everything actually seemed to be going well.
> For the time immediately after the Boards final warning, I would
> personally categorise Carlos' posts, manner, attitude, all being
> dramatically improved, as if he had taken on board the feedback from
> the Board. There was one or two posts which I felt might have walked
> 'upto the line' of what is acceptable, but the line wasn't crossed,
> and so I was quite pleased and hopeful.
>
> And then Carlos posted
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-11/msg00439.html which

For this one I apologized.
That's the only posts where I was out of line. A single post.



--
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)







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  55. 2015-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] [nyc-geeks]
  56. 2015-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn Theater
  57. 2015-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Quick Bucks from Microsoft
  58. 2015-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] [nyc-geeks]
  59. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  60. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  61. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  62. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  63. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  64. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Jewish Agency Connections December 2015
  65. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  66. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  67. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  68. 2015-12-22 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  69. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [Learn - LIU Comp Sci] Fwd: Re: the position
  70. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] UX et al
  71. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  72. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  73. 2015-12-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  74. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  75. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  76. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  77. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Structured Data Design
  78. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  79. 2015-12-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  80. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  81. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  82. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  83. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  84. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  85. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  86. 2015-12-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  87. 2015-12-22 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  88. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] chicks dig the Linux
  89. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux Viruses PROVEN by this guy
  90. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Holiday Shopping
  91. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  92. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  93. 2015-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the week
  94. 2015-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] MYSQL Licensing
  95. 2015-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux Viruses PROVEN by this guy
  96. 2015-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux Viruses PROVEN by this guy
  97. 2015-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Surveillance state in NYC
  98. 2015-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Big Bros
  99. 2015-12-23 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux . com is advising to change search engine
  100. 2015-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [randolf-at-modperl.pl: FYI: ModPerl and APR with
  101. 2015-12-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux . com is advising to change search engine
  102. 2015-12-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [Frum Jewish Jobs] Telecommunications
  103. 2015-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: LIU University Update
  104. 2015-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Dangers of living in NYC
  105. 2015-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] This is why Bloomberg HAD to go
  106. 2015-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux . com is advising to change search engine
  107. 2015-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux . com is advising to change search engine
  108. 2015-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] anybody see this libreoffice APIs?
  109. 2015-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Journal Update
  110. 2015-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Wayland support?
  111. 2015-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Report on dns for nylxs.com and mrbrklyn.com
  112. 2015-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Report on dns for nylxs.com and mrbrklyn.com
  113. 2015-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Christmas Movie
  114. 2015-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  115. 2015-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [list-at-xenhideout.nl: Re: [opensuse] Moderation on
  116. 2015-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [RBrownCCB-at-opensuse.org: Re: [opensuse] Re:
  117. 2015-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  118. 2015-12-25 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  119. 2015-12-26 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  120. 2015-12-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  121. 2015-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [opensuse] The Post that got Carlos
  122. 2015-12-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  123. 2015-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org:
  124. 2015-12-26 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  125. 2015-12-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  126. 2015-12-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  127. 2015-12-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  128. 2015-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  129. 2015-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  130. 2015-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn
  131. 2015-12-27 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  132. 2015-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The community demands for Richard Brown to resign
  133. 2015-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [opensuse] The Post that got Carlos ER Banded !!
  134. 2015-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Grand Jury
  135. 2015-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Federal Grand Jury - cont
  136. 2015-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Never Forgetting a Face
  137. 2015-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Perl6 released
  138. 2015-12-28 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Take the beautiful ferryboat ride to
  139. 2015-12-28 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  140. 2015-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Take the beautiful ferryboat ride to
  141. 2015-12-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Take the beautiful ferryboat ride to
  142. 2015-12-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  143. 2015-12-28 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Take the beautiful ferryboat ride to
  144. 2015-12-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Take the beautiful ferryboat ride to
  145. 2015-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Take the beautiful ferryboat ride to
  146. 2015-12-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Take the beautiful ferryboat ride to
  147. 2015-12-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [magross-at-its.brooklyn.cuny.edu: Re: research]
  148. 2015-12-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [IEEEservice-at-ieee.org: What's New for Students:
  149. 2015-12-29 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  150. 2015-12-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=22The_Danger_of_Partial_No-go_Z?=
  151. 2015-12-29 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Dear Invitor,
  152. 2015-12-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn: Dear Invitor,
  153. 2015-12-29 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  154. 2015-12-29 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  155. 2015-12-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  156. 2015-12-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  157. 2015-12-29 From: <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  158. 2015-12-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  159. 2015-12-30 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  160. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  161. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] amazon echo
  162. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?=5BVonage=40harmony=2Evonage=2Ecom=3A_Y?=
  163. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linux and voice recognition software
  164. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  165. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Observation Deck at the WTC
  166. 2015-12-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  167. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Perlbox
  168. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] GRUB Vulnerability
  169. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [cymbros-at-assembly.state.ny.us: NYS Launches New
  170. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  171. 2015-12-30 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  172. 2015-12-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  173. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ian Murdock dead
  174. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  175. 2015-12-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  176. 2015-12-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  177. 2015-12-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] California sounding increasingly peachy
  178. 2015-12-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ian Murdock suicide
  179. 2015-12-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ian Murdock suicide
  180. 2015-12-31 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ian Murdock suicide: Where did this take place ?
  181. 2015-12-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Star Wars IMAX
  182. 2015-12-31 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Star Wars IMAX
  183. 2015-12-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Star Wars IMAX
  184. 2015-12-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Star Wars IMAX
  185. 2015-12-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Chase Grants and Loans for start ups and Non-Profits
  186. 2015-12-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trapper John is gone

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