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| FROM | Mithun Bhattacharya
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
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From: Mithun Bhattacharya
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:59:01 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
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The question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being shared
which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote=
:
> > >
> > > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known" means ?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient
> utilization of resources - this is important when fast response time and
> scalability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is not=
a
> mystery box either - there is enough documentation which explains what ha=
s
> to happen and what could have gone wrong.
> > >
> > > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other well-=
known
> means.
> >
> > That would depend on what you mean by "efficient utilisation of
> resources=E2=80=9D. You can get the same general effect, more simply, by=
running a
> high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server and a web server
> with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a complicated
> Apache+mod_perl installation.
> >
> > That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server handle=
s
> all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and the Perl
> app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized, HTTP
> requests.
> >
>
> Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the most
> important one.
>
> To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
>
>
> > - Mark
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
>
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The question is move off to what ? I don't see alterna= tives being shared which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.div> il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Bl=
ackman wrote:
>
>
> > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya <o:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known"=
; means ?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman <o:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.org <mailto:<=
a href=3D"mailto:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.orga>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya <mailto:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com <mailto:=
mithnb-at-gmail.com&=
gt;> wrote:
> > >
> > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient ut=
ilization of resources - this is important when fast response time and scal=
ability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is not a mys=
tery box either - there is enough documentation which explains what has to =
happen and what could have gone wrong.
> >
> > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other w=
ell-known means.
>
> That would depend on what you mean by=C2=A0 "efficient utilisatio=
n of resources=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 You can get the same general effect, more si=
mply, by running a high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server =
and a web server with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a c=
omplicated Apache+mod_perl installation.
>
> That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server handl=
es all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and the Per=
l app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized, HTTP r=
equests.
>
Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the most
important one.
To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
> - Mark
>
>
>
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
ht=
tp://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http:=
//www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
"_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
>http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
ank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
--0000000000004fe34905ac16e187-- --===============1854147187== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout --===============1854147187==-- --===============1854147187== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004fe34905ac16e187" --0000000000004fe34905ac16e187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being shared which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water. On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote=
:
> > >
> > > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known" means ?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient
> utilization of resources - this is important when fast response time and
> scalability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is not=
a
> mystery box either - there is enough documentation which explains what ha=
s
> to happen and what could have gone wrong.
> > >
> > > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other well-=
known
> means.
> >
> > That would depend on what you mean by "efficient utilisation of
> resources=E2=80=9D. You can get the same general effect, more simply, by=
running a
> high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server and a web server
> with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a complicated
> Apache+mod_perl installation.
> >
> > That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server handle=
s
> all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and the Perl
> app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized, HTTP
> requests.
> >
>
> Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the most
> important one.
>
> To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
>
>
> > - Mark
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
>
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The question is move off to what ? I don't see alterna= tives being shared which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.div> il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Bl=
ackman wrote:
>
>
> > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya <o:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known"=
; means ?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman <o:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.org <mailto:<=
a href=3D"mailto:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.orga>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya <mailto:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com <mailto:=
mithnb-at-gmail.com&=
gt;> wrote:
> > >
> > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient ut=
ilization of resources - this is important when fast response time and scal=
ability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is not a mys=
tery box either - there is enough documentation which explains what has to =
happen and what could have gone wrong.
> >
> > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other w=
ell-known means.
>
> That would depend on what you mean by=C2=A0 "efficient utilisatio=
n of resources=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 You can get the same general effect, more si=
mply, by running a high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server =
and a web server with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a c=
omplicated Apache+mod_perl installation.
>
> That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server handl=
es all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and the Per=
l app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized, HTTP r=
equests.
>
Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the most
important one.
To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
> - Mark
>
>
>
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
ht=
tp://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http:=
//www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
"_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
>http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
ank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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