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MESSAGE
DATE 2015-06-05
FROM Rick Moen
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker

Quoting Ruben (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com):

> that is interesting, I didn't even know you could download that any
> longer.

You've always been able to download the full matching source code of
RHEL under open source / free software licensint terms. By the way, I
consulted my notes (part of which are at
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/RedHat/rhel-forks.html), and the two SRPMs of
trademark-encumbered image files are named 'redhat-logos' and
'anaconda-images'.

The licence terms for those image files provide for gratis usage but
require satisfying Red Hat's trademark policy. To avoid needing to
agree to those terms, one compiles the distro usign different image
files, thus producing somthing like CentOS, X/OS Linux, Scientific
Linux, StartCom Linux, and Rocks. (Some years ago, that list of RHEL
rebuild included Tao Linux, Eadem Enterprise AS, cAos Linux, and White
Box Linux, but those have folded. Technically, cAos Linux ceased being
maintaned because I introduced its maintainer to the CentOS people and
suggested they combine efforts.)

> Is that as upto date as Fedora?

Fedora is the leading-edge labaratory for RHEL, so no. And you're
better off, generally speaking. Sane people don't try to rely on Fedora
in production.

> These guys don't even want to support desktop usage, which IMO is a
> HUGE error [...]

Any competitors who see a market opportunity are welcome to charge right
in. You think you're smarter than the market, it could be you grabbing
those billions of dollars.

> Look, they are not selling that. They packaging it in a support
> contract.

Functionally equivalent to selling it. You stated, in error, that 'Red
Hat, and SuSE pulled their consumer grade COTS software off the market.'
I merely pointed out your factual error, telling you that RHEL is (last
I heard) 100% open source / free software, is freely available as open
source / free software SRPMs, and is available as consumer-grade
commercial off-the-shelf software.

You forgot to say 'Thank you.' I'll pretend you did. You're welcome,
Ruben. Always glad to share useful information.

> On their front webpage they say that they are offering services and
> support. They don't even say that they sell software.

And yet they do. It's just bundled with services and support. Or, if
you don't want services and support, you can grab the SRPMs and build
one, or rely on the five or more REHL rebuild distributions (CentOS,
etc.) that construct a binary from pristine RHEL sources for you. Or,
technically, you could ask a friend who purchase the support-wrapped
RHEL binary software to image you an ISO. Near as I can tell (from
years ago, when I last studied this in detail, doing this in a
non-commercial context is perfectly lawful. Commercial redistribution
could run into trademark infractions, depending on details. However,
persoanly, I find RHEL a pain in the neck and prefer CentOS or
Scientific Linux to it anyway.


Meanwhile, I'm a charming hilltop hotel overlooking Rome (the Rome
Cavalieri), so please excuse me while I go off to have a delightful
breakfast and enjoy the city.


  1. 2015-06-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
  2. 2015-06-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [Perlweekly] #201 - Legacy Perl?
  3. 2015-06-01 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [xdg-at-xdg.me: IBM Watson hackathon, Brooklyn, May 4-5]
  4. 2015-06-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Logicworks
  5. 2015-06-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Artifical Intelligence Workshop cancelled tonight for Space Program
  6. 2015-06-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  7. 2015-06-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Rockstar
  8. 2015-06-02 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] openrc distorwatch
  9. 2015-06-02 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  10. 2015-06-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 3d scanning and virtualization
  11. 2015-06-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 3d scanning and virtualization
  12. 2015-06-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  13. 2015-06-02 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org: =?utf-8?Q?=5B?=
  14. 2015-06-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] future tech control
  15. 2015-06-02 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  16. 2015-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  17. 2015-06-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] $9 SOC
  18. 2015-06-02 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  19. 2015-06-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  20. 2015-06-03 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  21. 2015-06-03 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  22. 2015-06-03 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  23. 2015-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  24. 2015-06-03 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  25. 2015-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  26. 2015-06-03 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  27. 2015-06-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  28. 2015-06-05 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making money with open source - John Walker
  29. 2015-06-05 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  30. 2015-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  31. 2015-06-05 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  32. 2015-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  33. 2015-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Tomorrow: Join 20 astropreneurs at "Super-Releaser Presents,
  34. 2015-06-05 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  35. 2015-06-05 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  36. 2015-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  37. 2015-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Artificial Intelligence
  38. 2015-06-05 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  39. 2015-06-05 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  40. 2015-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  41. 2015-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  42. 2015-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  43. 2015-06-05 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  44. 2015-06-05 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  45. 2015-06-06 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  46. 2015-06-06 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  47. 2015-06-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] this makes me sick
  48. 2015-06-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] this makes me sick
  49. 2015-06-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Laptops cheap
  50. 2015-06-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Distro News
  51. 2015-06-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn Press
  52. 2015-06-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Meeting
  53. 2015-06-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] this makes me sick
  54. 2015-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] This weeks schedule
  55. 2015-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://hadoop.apache.org/
  56. 2015-06-07 Paul Charles Leddy <pcleddy-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://hadoop.apache.org/
  57. 2015-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://hadoop.apache.org/
  58. 2015-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NBC Job
  59. 2015-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://hadoop.apache.org/
  60. 2015-06-07 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [speakers-at-ohiolinux.org: Ohio LinuxFest 2015 Call for Presentations]
  61. 2015-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Grunt
  62. 2015-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Job Teaching Adrino
  63. 2015-06-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Junior Python
  64. 2015-06-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fundraiser
  65. 2015-06-09 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] cups security update
  66. 2015-06-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://hadoop.apache.org/
  67. 2015-06-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Dynamic Network Stacks
  68. 2015-06-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Movie of the Week
  69. 2015-06-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Movie of the Week
  70. 2015-06-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] this just breaks my heart..
  71. 2015-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: The Best Careers for People With ADHD
  72. 2015-06-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Articles
  73. 2015-06-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming and Design contest
  74. 2015-06-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] healthcare premiums
  75. 2015-06-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tor security
  76. 2015-06-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Movie of the Week
  77. 2015-06-18 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tor security
  78. 2015-06-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] join me for school with a scholarship from the Linux foundation
  79. 2015-06-19 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tor security
  80. 2015-06-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] interesting Brooklyn business
  81. 2015-06-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Never Forget...
  82. 2015-06-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  83. 2015-06-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  84. 2015-06-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  85. 2015-06-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  86. 2015-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  87. 2015-06-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  88. 2015-06-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  89. 2015-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  90. 2015-06-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  91. 2015-06-24 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  92. 2015-06-25 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  93. 2015-06-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  94. 2015-06-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something strange a coworker did in fstab
  95. 2015-06-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Exciting News from SF...
  96. 2015-06-25 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Exciting News from SF...
  97. 2015-06-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Exciting News from SF...
  98. 2015-06-26 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Exciting News from SF...
  99. 2015-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux training
  100. 2015-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: strange function types in unistd.h
  101. 2015-06-27 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Exciting News from SF...
  102. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm a grandfather, or will be in a few hours
  103. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Sleep
  104. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Sleep
  105. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS deleted
  106. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] South Fallsburg
  107. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Baby it is COLD outside
  108. 2015-06-28 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Baby it is COLD outside
  109. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] South Fallsburg
  110. 2015-06-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Baby it is COLD outside
  111. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Baby it is COLD outside
  112. 2015-06-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS deleted
  113. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS deleted
  114. 2015-06-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS deleted
  115. 2015-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS deleted
  116. 2015-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS deleted
  117. 2015-06-30 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Baby it is COLD outside
  118. 2015-06-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS deleted
  119. 2015-06-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS deleted

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