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MESSAGE
DATE 2002-04-24
FROM Jay Sulzberger
SUBJECT Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Ruben I Safir wrote:

>
> >
> > Yes, Fair Use should not be defined by statute as an exception to
> > unlimited copyright.
>
> Right. Copyright needs to be defined as an exception to Fair Use.
>
>
> > Also there should be no statutory mandate, under the
> > copyright clause of the US constitution, that specifies media capbilities.
>
> Wrong.
>
> We need laws which prohit forcing contractual agreements on people which
> are not signed negotiated agreements. It's not a consumer right.
> It's a HUMAN RIGHT.

I agree that that once you have the can of soup, book, CD, computer,
WaterDino, OSDoll, Theremin, Voyage to the Moon print, newspaper, shadow
on your floor, etc., in your house, no contract of adhesion can stop you
from doing what you want. This is completely different from the
governament mandating that my new nanodust standup comic last for more
than one month in normal use, and one hour in Slashdot mode. Any statute
on what media is allowed acts against us, and very quickly too. A statute
against certain unfair contracts of adhesion I am for, and I think this is
what you really want.

>
> > Such a law, even if designed to protect "consumer" rights, would allow the
> > government and the Englobulators to restrict our freedom to make, sell,
>
>
> I don't think your right, and you've never given such an example.

Example: Your reader for your index of writings on copyright has a bug:
After 111 uses its internal state becomes disarranged and it
self-destructs on the hard drives of those you've sold it to. The Federal
government with the Englobulators revokes your "federal media license", or
sues. Under any statutory mandate that directly limits what media are
allowed to be made, sold, traded, or given away, this will happen, and
Free Programmers and Free Artists will be the ones attacked and forced to
do things the way the Englobulators want, or not distribute our work.

>
> A law which prohibits the inhibition of free access to any media owned by
> an individual is exactly what is needed to assure political freedom.

No. Just make sure Congress and the courts do not allow insane invasive
contracts of adhesion at point of sale. Never directly regulate private
media. Bandwidth limited and monopoly media are different and usually
require regulation, but still, no regulation of private use is needed.
Once the book, signal, etc. lawfully gets in your house, it is indeed
yours. We agree on this rock bottom principle. And any government
restriction on what form I make available my art, denies me and my
users-collaboartors exactly this freedom of private use of our property.
Once again, unfair contracts of adhesion, which contracts seek to deny my
free private use of my property, can be thrown out, without mandating
anything about the media itself. Only contracts need be regulated by
statute, and only when some crazy court upholds some crazy and bad EULA.

>
> > use, and abuse whatever I, Andy Warhol, G. Melies, Theremin Stack Inc.,
> > BioFluidDynamicDevices, WaterGelDinos, OtakuSexDolls, the
> > EncephaThalamicShunt League, World Empathologies, etc. invent. Even if
> > the restrictions on media were completely "fair and non-discriminatory and
> > zero cost" the paperwork alone would act as an effective bar to market
> > entry and full free use by CITIZEN PRODUCERS OF THE COMING AGE OF VRIL.
>
> Not if we don't pass laws making it illegal to produce media which impairs
> the security of the citizen with regard to their property.

No. The Englobulators will then claim that all our stuff, why our very
tribal ways, "restrict the security of the citizen". They will say 'After
all, who knows what the GNU system really does, while our, that is,
Apple's, Sun's, IBM's, Microsoft's, and Sony's systems all have their
'certificates of compliance with the Fair Media Act of 2003'.".

> If we don't do that, then we're doomed. Free Software is doomed, Free
> education is doomed and the open political process is doomed.

Sir, I depend on the Constitution.

And my brothers and sisters armed. Armed with disk and cpu, with compiler
and kernel, with copper and aether.

oo--JS.

____________________________
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  1. 2002-04-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] new date of CUNY demo
  2. 2002-04-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] new date of CUNY demo
  3. 2002-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] new date of CUNY demo
  4. 2002-04-30 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] new date of CUNY demo
  5. 2002-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] VHS Tape - To Digital [e123abc-at-mindspring.com]
  6. 2002-04-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] C problem
  7. 2002-04-30 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] contact info - jonathan jacobs
  8. 2002-04-30 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] contact info - jonathan jacobs
  9. 2002-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Uggg Sorry
  10. 2002-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Uggg Sorry
  11. 2002-04-29 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Uggg Sorry
  12. 2002-04-29 Jesse Lackey <jesse-at-celestialaudio.com> Re: [hangout] C problem
  13. 2002-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: compatibility (fwd)
  14. 2002-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: compatibility (fwd)
  15. 2002-04-28 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Installation Problems with Open Office 641d
  16. 2002-04-28 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Installation Problems with Open Office 641d
  17. 2002-04-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] solution to exchange/outlook desktop conversion
  18. 2002-04-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] solution to exchange/outlook desktop conversion
  19. 2002-04-28 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] solution to exchange/outlook desktop conversion
  20. 2002-04-27 Alan Wiess <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Subject: [hangout] Path for Here Art.
  21. 2002-04-27 Alan Wiess <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Subject: [hangout] Path for Here Art.
  22. 2002-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Government Desktops
  23. 2002-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Government Desktops
  24. 2002-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: linux volunteer
  25. 2002-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] linux volunteer (fwd)
  26. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Introduction to C Programming Class Announcement
  27. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Introduction to C Programming Class Announcement
  28. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Programming a dead end
  29. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Database Developer [Lorna-at-mediafarm.com]
  30. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Database Developer [Lorna-at-mediafarm.com]
  31. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Monday
  32. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Monday
  33. 2002-04-26 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix job
  34. 2002-04-26 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix job
  35. 2002-04-26 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] City saves with Linux, thin clients
  36. 2002-04-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FLYERS
  37. 2002-04-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  38. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [sarah-at-pound.perl.org: YAPC::NA Second Call For Participation] [dha-at-panix.com]
  39. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [sarah-at-pound.perl.org: YAPC::NA Second Call For Participation] [dha-at-panix.com]
  40. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] 2 articles I've written on privacy have been published [scott-at-granneman.com]
  41. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] 2 articles I've written on privacy have been published [scott-at-granneman.com]
  42. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Wireless Demo and the Linux Demo [dustin-at-voipexperts.com]
  43. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Wireless Demo and the Linux Demo [dustin-at-voipexperts.com]
  44. 2002-04-25 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  45. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wireless Demo and the Linux Demo
  46. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wireless Demo and the Linux Demo
  47. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Community Connect is hiring for several positions
  48. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  49. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  50. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  51. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  52. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  53. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  54. 2002-04-25 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  55. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  56. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  57. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Annual Awards Dinner
  58. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GLIB Hash Data (fwd)
  59. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GLIB Hash Data (fwd)
  60. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Annual Awards Dinner
  61. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Annual Awards Dinner
  62. 2002-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  63. 2002-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  64. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  65. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  66. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: edited some of the language
  67. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: edited some of the language
  68. 2002-04-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  69. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C problem
  70. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C problem
  71. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: LOCAL California 14th district: Rep. Eshoo conference call (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  72. 2002-04-24 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] C problem
  73. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  74. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  75. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  76. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  77. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: LOCAL California 14th district: Rep. Eshoo conference call (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  78. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Congression Lobbying
  79. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LOCAL California 14th district: Rep. Eshoo conference call (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  80. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LOCAL California 14th district: Rep. Eshoo conference call (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  81. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C problem
  82. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  83. 2002-04-24 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] C problem
  84. 2002-04-24 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] C problem
  85. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C problem
  86. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  87. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  88. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  89. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  90. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  91. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  92. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  93. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  94. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SAMBA and MS
  95. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] evo under kde and others
  96. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] evo under kde and others
  97. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 1
  98. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL MEETING
  99. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL MEETING
  100. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  101. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [fairuse-discuss] Disturbing Article: The End of Home Recording (fwd)
  102. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [fairuse-discuss] Disturbing Article: The End of Home Recording (fwd)
  103. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show Progress
  104. 2002-04-22 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY demo meeting tonight
  105. 2002-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone want a job working with Free Software?
  106. 2002-04-15 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Final 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting]
  107. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] As usual, I publish rather than wait
  108. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Perl Tutorials "Program Repair Shop" and "Iterators and Generators" [dha-at-panix.com]
  109. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux Demo at CUNY
  110. 2002-04-15 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] [Fwd: Streaming Audio Show.]
  111. 2002-04-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preliminary Report on NYLXS for the Board Meeting and future publication
  112. 2002-04-12 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] Small personal DATABASE FREEWARE recommendations? (fwd)
  113. 2002-04-12 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] Small personal DATABASE FREEWARE recommendations? (fwd)
  114. 2002-04-12 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Final 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  115. 2002-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fre Software Demos for CUNY and NYLXS
  116. 2002-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fre Software Demos for CUNY and NYLXS
  117. 2002-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is NYLXS (from NYLUG)
  118. 2002-04-12 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  119. 2002-04-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  120. 2002-04-12 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  121. 2002-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  122. 2002-04-11 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  123. 2002-04-11 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  124. 2002-04-11 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Anybody online right now, check out a web site for me, thanks
  125. 2002-04-11 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Anybody online right now, check out a web site for me, thanks
  126. 2002-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Fw: I got a letter from Board of Education of the City of New York about an RFP for Outsourcing of Information Technology Services [serge.derrick-at-verizon.net]
  127. 2002-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Fw: I got a letter from Board of Education of the City of New York about an RFP for Outsourcing of Information Technology Services [serge.derrick-at-verizon.net]
  128. 2002-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: I got a letter from Board of Education of the City of New York about an RFP for Outsourcing of Information Technology Services [serge.derrick-at-verizon.net]
  129. 2002-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: I got a letter from Board of Education of the City of New York about an RFP for Outsourcing of Information Technology Services [serge.derrick-at-verizon.net]
  130. 2002-04-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Good Job
  131. 2002-04-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Good Job
  132. 2002-04-11 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 and Perl 2 class starts tonight.
  133. 2002-04-11 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 and Perl 2 class starts tonight.
  134. 2002-04-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  135. 2002-04-10 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Demo at CUNY
  136. 2002-04-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] question
  137. 2002-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: REMINDER - This months meeting, Two Days From Today... (fwd) [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  138. 2002-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: REMINDER - This months meeting, Two Days From Today... (fwd) [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  139. 2002-04-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Radio Show
  140. 2002-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  141. 2002-04-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  142. 2002-04-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  143. 2002-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Text Books
  144. 2002-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Introducing a gnu/Linux Distribution from Software Vigilantes [SVigilante2002-at-netscape.net]
  145. 2002-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Something interesting - having nothing to do with anything
  146. 2002-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Urgent Emergency Meeting
  147. 2002-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Inservice Follow up
  148. 2002-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Washington DC Pages
  149. 2002-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] The Constituional Basis of Fair Use (response to Slashdot)
  150. 2002-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYSA meeting [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  151. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ooh-oooh-oh, on the radio!
  152. 2002-04-01 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] New Perl Class Announcement
  153. 2002-04-01 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] #DEFINE Friendship
  154. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Media Projects
  155. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Media Projects
  156. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Media Projects
  157. 2002-04-05 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Media Projects
  158. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  159. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  160. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  161. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  162. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  163. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  164. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  165. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  166. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  167. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  168. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  169. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  170. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  171. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  172. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  173. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  174. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  175. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  176. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  177. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  178. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  179. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  180. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  181. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  182. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  183. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  184. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  185. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  186. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  187. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  188. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  189. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  190. 2002-04-05 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Media Projects
  191. 2002-04-05 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Media Projects

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