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DATE 2002-04-23
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-------- Original Message --------
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:43:39 -0400
From: Dave Farber


Note: Intel, which provides the authentication and
encryption, effectively ends home recording -- its licensing
agreement prohibits putting DVI connectors on any device
capable of recording, such as a TiVo or digital VCR.

Piracy concerns may make older digital TV sets obsolete


NEW TECHNOLOGY ADDRESSES STUDIOS' INSISTENCE ON COPYRIGHT
PROTECTION

By Dawn C. Chmielewski
Mercury News


Greg Brooks isn't the typical early adopter. He's pragmatic
and when the family television died in 1999, he decided to
splurge on a big-screen set capable of displaying vivid,
cinematic movies in high definition.

``I bought it for the future opportunities,'' said Brooks.

The half-life of Brooks' 60-inch Sony TV just got cut
radically short.

He is one of the 2 1/2 million people who spent upward of $4
billion on next-generation digital television sets over the
past five years who may find their pricey displays
practically worthless, as the consumer electronics industry
attempts to address Hollywood's concerns about piracy.

The latest digital sets will feature copy protection that
eliminates the consumer's ability to record pay-per-view
movies, or restricts the number of copies they can make of
shows broadcast in digital. These new technologies give
studios the wherewithal to withhold its most valuable
cinematic content from consumers watching on
first-generation sets -- or require satellite and cable
companies to cut the resolution in half through a technique
called ``downresing.''

At issue is a perceived flaw in first-generation digital
sets that's come to be known as the ``analog hole.'' Every
digital TV set sold to consumers since the digital
television revolution began in 1997 comes with component
video inputs. These analog connectors allow video to flow,
unencrypted, from a cable or satellite set-top box to the
television monitor.

Therein lies the security breach.

Anyone can tap into this video source to make pristine
copies of digital movies or TV shows that won't degrade with
each reproduction. These perfect digital duplicates can be
uploaded and distributed infinitely over the Internet.

A fear of Napster-like piracy makes major studios reluctant
to deliver films to the home in high-definition television
format. That has led to a dearth of the high-definition
films and television programming that was to propel the
digital TV revolution.

Walt Disney Chairman Michael Eisner lobbied Congress to plug
the ``analog hole,'' and thwart global piracy on
file-swapping services such as Morpheus and Kazaa.

``We have no problem with customers making a time-shifting
copy of broadcast and cable programming in their own home,''
said Preston Padden, Disney's executive vice president of
government relations. ``Our problem is when the brand new,
$100-million movie shows up in a digitally perfect copy on
file-sharing Web sites.''

The resulting Consumer Broadband and Digital TV Act of 2002,
introduced in March by Sen. Ernest ``Fritz'' Hollings,
D-S.C., would require copy protection be built into any
chip-smart consumer device that touches a song, movie or
other copyrighted work.

The threat of Congress mandating a copy control standard --
much as it did with VCRs -- spurred the consumer electronics
and information technology industries into self-defensive
action.

The resulting remedies may leave early digital TV adopters
out in the snow.

Digital TVs just reaching the market -- including Sony's
flat-screen Wega and models from RCA -- feature a new
Digital Video Interface that makes it impractical -- and
illegal -- to copy digital broadcasts of TV shows or movies.
This new plug is designed to bridge the short, here-to-fore
unencrypted distance a video signal travels between the
set-top box and the digital monitor. It delivers such a
torrent of uncompressed video that it can only be recorded
on $100,000 high-bandwidth commercial recorders. And Intel,
which provides the authentication and encryption,
effectively ends home recording -- its licensing agreement
prohibits putting DVI connectors on any device capable of
recording, such as a TiVo or digital VCR.

``The consumer is losing out, because by adopting DVI as
their digital connection, they are forfeiting any future
right to record or network their home theater products,''
said Robert Perry, marketing vice president for Mitsubishi
Consumer Electronics America, the nation's leading maker of
projection TVs.

Mitsubishi has refused to add DVI or CDMI inputs to its
big-screen TVs, instead adopting 1394-FireWire-iLink
standard that has its roots in the computer networking
industry. This video input incorporates another form of copy
protection, the Digital Transmission Copy Protection
protocol (known as 5C) from Intel, that allows for more
flexible home-copying.

The next iteration of DVI technology, jointly developed by
Intel and Sunnyvale chip maker Silicon Image, would extend
copy protection to digital audio -- as well as video.

Silicon Image's initiative announced last week was warmly
endorsed by Universal and 20th Century Fox studios -- and
the nation's leading direct satellite broadcasters, Echostar
and DirecTV, which are still starved for digital content.

``Hollywood loves it because it's damned hard to record
unless you're sitting at a broadcast center. It's got HDCP,
Intel's method of copy-protection, so even if you're able to
hack it, record it and compress it, you've still got to deal
with copy-protection,'' said Dave Arland, spokesman for
Thomson Multimedia, maker of RCA-brand televisions.

The new digital encryption schemes finally give Echostar the
technological ability to address Hollywood's file-swapping
fixation: It can prevent copying of pay-per-view films,
restrict the number of copies of popular shows, like
``Friends.'' It can remotely shut analog outputs to halt
unauthorized copying. And it can even cut in half the
resolution of high-definition programming delivered to
first-generation HDTVs with analog inputs that lack
encryption.

Echostar hopes its anti-piracy initiatives will give
broadcasters and studios the confidence to augment the
DishNetwork's high definition lineup, now limited to HBO and
Showtime, CBS's prime-time lineup and six monthly
pay-per-view movies.


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  80. 2002-04-12 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] Small personal DATABASE FREEWARE recommendations? (fwd)
  81. 2002-04-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preliminary Report on NYLXS for the Board Meeting and future publication
  82. 2002-04-15 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] [Fwd: Streaming Audio Show.]
  83. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] As usual, I publish rather than wait
  84. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Perl Tutorials "Program Repair Shop" and "Iterators and Generators" [dha-at-panix.com]
  85. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux Demo at CUNY
  86. 2002-04-15 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Final 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting]
  87. 2002-04-22 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY demo meeting tonight
  88. 2002-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone want a job working with Free Software?
  89. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] evo under kde and others
  90. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] evo under kde and others
  91. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  92. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  93. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  94. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  95. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  96. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  97. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  98. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show Progress
  99. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C problem
  100. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  101. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL MEETING
  102. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL MEETING
  103. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  104. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SAMBA and MS
  105. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 1
  106. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [fairuse-discuss] Disturbing Article: The End of Home Recording (fwd)
  107. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [fairuse-discuss] Disturbing Article: The End of Home Recording (fwd)
  108. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  109. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  110. 2002-04-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  111. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C problem
  112. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C problem
  113. 2002-04-24 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] C problem
  114. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C problem
  115. 2002-04-24 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] C problem
  116. 2002-04-24 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] C problem
  117. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  118. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  119. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  120. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: LOCAL California 14th district: Rep. Eshoo conference call (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  121. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: LOCAL California 14th district: Rep. Eshoo conference call (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  122. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Annual Awards Dinner
  123. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Annual Awards Dinner
  124. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Congression Lobbying
  125. 2002-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  126. 2002-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  127. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LOCAL California 14th district: Rep. Eshoo conference call (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  128. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LOCAL California 14th district: Rep. Eshoo conference call (fwd) [jays-at-panix.com]
  129. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  130. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  131. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: edited some of the language
  132. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: edited some of the language
  133. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GLIB Hash Data (fwd)
  134. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GLIB Hash Data (fwd)
  135. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Annual Awards Dinner
  136. 2002-04-25 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  137. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  138. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  139. 2002-04-25 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  140. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  141. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  142. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Community Connect is hiring for several positions
  143. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  144. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
  145. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  146. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  147. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wireless Demo and the Linux Demo
  148. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wireless Demo and the Linux Demo
  149. 2002-04-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: NYLXS at CUNY
  150. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Monday
  151. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Monday
  152. 2002-04-26 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] City saves with Linux, thin clients
  153. 2002-04-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FLYERS
  154. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Wireless Demo and the Linux Demo [dustin-at-voipexperts.com]
  155. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Wireless Demo and the Linux Demo [dustin-at-voipexperts.com]
  156. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [sarah-at-pound.perl.org: YAPC::NA Second Call For Participation] [dha-at-panix.com]
  157. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [sarah-at-pound.perl.org: YAPC::NA Second Call For Participation] [dha-at-panix.com]
  158. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] 2 articles I've written on privacy have been published [scott-at-granneman.com]
  159. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] 2 articles I've written on privacy have been published [scott-at-granneman.com]
  160. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Database Developer [Lorna-at-mediafarm.com]
  161. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Database Developer [Lorna-at-mediafarm.com]
  162. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Introduction to C Programming Class Announcement
  163. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Introduction to C Programming Class Announcement
  164. 2002-04-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Programming a dead end
  165. 2002-04-26 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix job
  166. 2002-04-26 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix job
  167. 2002-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Government Desktops
  168. 2002-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Government Desktops
  169. 2002-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] linux volunteer (fwd)
  170. 2002-04-27 Alan Wiess <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Subject: [hangout] Path for Here Art.
  171. 2002-04-27 Alan Wiess <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Subject: [hangout] Path for Here Art.
  172. 2002-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: linux volunteer
  173. 2002-04-28 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Installation Problems with Open Office 641d
  174. 2002-04-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] solution to exchange/outlook desktop conversion
  175. 2002-04-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] solution to exchange/outlook desktop conversion
  176. 2002-04-28 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Installation Problems with Open Office 641d
  177. 2002-04-28 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] solution to exchange/outlook desktop conversion
  178. 2002-04-29 Jesse Lackey <jesse-at-celestialaudio.com> Re: [hangout] C problem
  179. 2002-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Uggg Sorry
  180. 2002-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Uggg Sorry
  181. 2002-04-29 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Uggg Sorry
  182. 2002-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: compatibility (fwd)
  183. 2002-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: compatibility (fwd)
  184. 2002-04-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] C problem
  185. 2002-04-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] new date of CUNY demo
  186. 2002-04-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] new date of CUNY demo
  187. 2002-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] new date of CUNY demo
  188. 2002-04-30 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] contact info - jonathan jacobs
  189. 2002-04-30 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] contact info - jonathan jacobs
  190. 2002-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] VHS Tape - To Digital [e123abc-at-mindspring.com]
  191. 2002-04-30 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] new date of CUNY demo

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