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DATE 2002-04-24
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
From owner-hangout-desteny-at-mrbrklyn.com Wed Apr 24 09:57:14 2002
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Subject: Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
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sounds about right to me

> I plan on sending something similar to the following to the Washington
> Square News tomorrow. Any comments from anyone? I just typed this up
> quickly. It may need to be cut in half.
>
> ---
>
> To the editor:
> On April 23rd, in the front page article entitled "DVD Texts Make
> Lukewarm Debut," both the Washington Square News and the NYU Dental
> School exhibit a profound misunderstanding of technoligical and
> legal/technological issues that vitally affect and will continue to
> vitally affect the students of this university. In the article in question, WSN
> fails to mention or emphasize many signicicant facts concerning the
> Vital Book DVD that drastically affect the way in which students use
> their textbooks, and facts concerning the adoption of the Vital Book DVD
> in the Dental School. First of all, the NYU Dental School, though
> perhaps the only school remaining in NYU that has its own large IT
> staff, made no consultation with its tech department before adopting the
> DVD as its sole source of textbooks. This itself is a major problem
> point in the adoption of the DVD, considering the technical nature of
> storing textbooks on a digital medium, and especially considering the
> fact that the NYU Dental School has an excellent intranet (read
> "internal internet") with which it is fully capable of deploying videos
> and other multimedia material to students. The textbooks themselves may be
> stored on DVD, but these textbooks are stored using proprietary
> encryption software that requires Vital Book reader software to be
> installed on the computer that will be used to read the DVD. This means
> that though the DVD may be usable for the life of the student, the
> material will not be available to the student unless the student happens
> to be running something that is compatible with whatever Vital Books has
> to offer. Apparantly, these DVDs are currently only readable on
> Macintosh Systems, locking out any alternatives. Moreover, these DVDs
> can only be read on one single computer, which in the case of NYU
> students happens to be the laptop that they hand over to have Vital
> Books software installed. If a Dental School student has a home desktop
> compter, this cannot be used to access the materials, as the materials
> are only accessible from the single laptop computer. Moreover, although these
> DVDs may be touted as something that will be an invalueble resource to
> students down the road, the fact of the matter is that it is highly
> unlikely that the DVD will be readable for the life of the student, for
> two different reasons. The first is that technology changes. It is
> very unlikely that the DVDs of today will be readable by the computers
> of tomorrow. Not long ago, the 3 and 1/2 inch floppies of today
> replaced inferior 5 and 1/4 inch floppies. Today, DVD are replacing
> CDs, and floppies have great shortcomings that will cause them to be
> phased out in the next few years. (Already, Apple systems do not come
> with floppy drives installed.) Especially as the trend towards smaller
> computing deviced continues, we can expect the DVDs of today to be
> phased out, and backwards compatibility can only be maintained for so
> long. 20 years down the road, when the textbooks will be so valueble to
> the student-become-dentist, it is unlikely that DVDs will even be
> readable by standard computing devices. In addition to this, the
> encryption of the textbooks on the DVD means that
> students-become-denstists will always be forced to rely on Vital Books
> for the readability of their DVD. The encryption means that the student
> cannot back the textbooks up somehow in order to circumvent the future
> obsoleteness of the DVD and it also means that the student cannot read
> the books on their own. If Vital Books goes out of business down the
> line, students will be left with an unreadable, useless piece of
> software that they paid thousands of dollars for. In short, the Vital Book
> DVD, though promising sounding, suffers from myriad problems that hurt
> the student purchasing it. Through heavy-handed copyright measures and
> technological shortcomings, the DVD program promises to be a large
> failure where students are concerned. This student has many 20 year old
> math textbooks that he has no problems reading whenever and wherever he
> wants, and which may be readable for another thousand years (if the
> historians of the future are interested.) On the other hand, the Vital
> Book DVD may not even be readable for the next ten.
>
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:30:28 -0400
> Ruben I Safir wrote:
>
> >
> > It runs on a mac and we were never consulted.
> > It was rammed down our throats.
> >
> >
> > > If so, was anyone in the Dental School tech
> > > department consulted on the matter?
> > >
> > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:10:26 -0400
> > > Ruben I Safir wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The students didn't protest, and they genuinely dislike the media.
> > > >
> > > > It forces them to buy books they don't want, and how can 1/2
> > > > remain for life.
> > > >
> > > > It should ALL remain for life....period.
> > > >
> > > > And it shouldn't be encrypted.
> > > >
> > > > Which half goes out?
> > > >
> > > > Ruben
> > > >
> > > > On 2002.04.23 18:44 Jonathan Bober wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A new story on the Vital Book DVD...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.washingtonsquarenews.com/getstory.php?id=20003044
> > > > >
> > > > > "One year after the NYU College of Dentistry announced that new
> > > > > students would be required to purchase a DVD that replaces all
> > > > > textbooks, students and faculty have received the new technology
> > > > > with mixed feelings.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DVD, known as the Vital Book, contains a student?s entire
> > > > > four-year curriculum, including 161 textbooks, course syllabi,
> > > > > handouts, lecture notes, slide presentations, video clips, a
> > > > > clinic manual, internally created material and other reference
> > > > > materials. The material is searchable, giving users the
> > > > > opportunity to research efficiently.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last year, students and faculty protested the DVD because it was
> > > > > supposed to expire after each semester. However, now the DVD
> > > > > does not expire, and students can keep at least half of the
> > > > > information for life.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [...]"
> > > > > ____________________________
> > > > > New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> > > > > Fair Use -
> > > > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > __________________________
> > > >
> > > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> > > > __________________________
> > > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> > > > http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> > > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > > > http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> > > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or
> > > > stories and articles from around the net
> > > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I
> > > > saw you... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New
> > > > Downtown Brooklyn....
> > > >
> > > > 1-718-382-5752
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________________________
> > > > New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> > > > Fair Use -
> > > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > > ____________________________
> > > New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> > > Fair Use -
> > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > >
> > --
> > __________________________
> >
> > Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> > __________________________
> > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> > http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories
> > and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 -
> > Imagine my surprise when I saw you...
> > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown
> > Brooklyn....
> >
> > 1-718-382-5752
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________
> > New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> > Fair Use -
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>

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  51. 2002-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro to C programming Class
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  74. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  75. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
  76. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congression Lobbying
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  82. 2002-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  83. 2002-04-24 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] C problem
  84. 2002-04-24 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] C problem
  85. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C problem
  86. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  87. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  88. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  89. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  90. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  91. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  92. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  93. 2002-04-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] nyu dental school vitalbooks dvd
  94. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SAMBA and MS
  95. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] evo under kde and others
  96. 2002-04-23 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] evo under kde and others
  97. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 1
  98. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL MEETING
  99. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL MEETING
  100. 2002-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  101. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [fairuse-discuss] Disturbing Article: The End of Home Recording (fwd)
  102. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [fairuse-discuss] Disturbing Article: The End of Home Recording (fwd)
  103. 2002-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show Progress
  104. 2002-04-22 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY demo meeting tonight
  105. 2002-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone want a job working with Free Software?
  106. 2002-04-15 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Final 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting]
  107. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] As usual, I publish rather than wait
  108. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Perl Tutorials "Program Repair Shop" and "Iterators and Generators" [dha-at-panix.com]
  109. 2002-04-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux Demo at CUNY
  110. 2002-04-15 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] [Fwd: Streaming Audio Show.]
  111. 2002-04-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preliminary Report on NYLXS for the Board Meeting and future publication
  112. 2002-04-12 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] Small personal DATABASE FREEWARE recommendations? (fwd)
  113. 2002-04-12 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] Small personal DATABASE FREEWARE recommendations? (fwd)
  114. 2002-04-12 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Final 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  115. 2002-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fre Software Demos for CUNY and NYLXS
  116. 2002-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fre Software Demos for CUNY and NYLXS
  117. 2002-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is NYLXS (from NYLUG)
  118. 2002-04-12 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  119. 2002-04-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  120. 2002-04-12 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  121. 2002-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  122. 2002-04-11 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  123. 2002-04-11 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] 1st multimedia InService/ Av project meeting
  124. 2002-04-11 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Anybody online right now, check out a web site for me, thanks
  125. 2002-04-11 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Anybody online right now, check out a web site for me, thanks
  126. 2002-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Fw: I got a letter from Board of Education of the City of New York about an RFP for Outsourcing of Information Technology Services [serge.derrick-at-verizon.net]
  127. 2002-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Fw: I got a letter from Board of Education of the City of New York about an RFP for Outsourcing of Information Technology Services [serge.derrick-at-verizon.net]
  128. 2002-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: I got a letter from Board of Education of the City of New York about an RFP for Outsourcing of Information Technology Services [serge.derrick-at-verizon.net]
  129. 2002-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: I got a letter from Board of Education of the City of New York about an RFP for Outsourcing of Information Technology Services [serge.derrick-at-verizon.net]
  130. 2002-04-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Good Job
  131. 2002-04-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Good Job
  132. 2002-04-11 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 and Perl 2 class starts tonight.
  133. 2002-04-11 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 and Perl 2 class starts tonight.
  134. 2002-04-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  135. 2002-04-10 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Demo at CUNY
  136. 2002-04-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] question
  137. 2002-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: REMINDER - This months meeting, Two Days From Today... (fwd) [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  138. 2002-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: REMINDER - This months meeting, Two Days From Today... (fwd) [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  139. 2002-04-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Radio Show
  140. 2002-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  141. 2002-04-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  142. 2002-04-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  143. 2002-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Text Books
  144. 2002-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Introducing a gnu/Linux Distribution from Software Vigilantes [SVigilante2002-at-netscape.net]
  145. 2002-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Something interesting - having nothing to do with anything
  146. 2002-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Urgent Emergency Meeting
  147. 2002-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Inservice Follow up
  148. 2002-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Washington DC Pages
  149. 2002-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] The Constituional Basis of Fair Use (response to Slashdot)
  150. 2002-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYSA meeting [wynkoop-at-wynn.com]
  151. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ooh-oooh-oh, on the radio!
  152. 2002-04-01 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] New Perl Class Announcement
  153. 2002-04-01 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] #DEFINE Friendship
  154. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Media Projects
  155. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Media Projects
  156. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Media Projects
  157. 2002-04-05 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Media Projects
  158. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  159. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  160. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  161. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  162. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  163. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  164. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  165. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  166. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  167. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  168. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  169. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  170. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  171. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  172. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  173. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  174. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  175. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  176. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  177. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  178. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  179. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  180. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  181. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  182. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  183. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  184. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  185. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  186. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  187. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  188. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  189. 2002-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Media Projects [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  190. 2002-04-05 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Media Projects
  191. 2002-04-05 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Media Projects

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