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DATE 2004-02-03
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] P2P back in court


By Bob Tourtellotte

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - In a landmark case over online piracy, a federal appeals court Tuesday heard arguments over whether Napster-like Internet services should be kept from allowing unauthorized song and movie copies to be swapped online for free.

Lawyers for the entertainment industry told a three-judge panel for the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Pasadena that file-sharing services Grokster and Morpheus should be ordered to apply software filters that would prevent the online trading and copying of copyrighted songs and films.

Attorneys for the peer-to-peer networks countered that using filters would effectively shut them down, and it was up to lawmakers, not the federal courts, to extend copyright law to cover the Web.

"They can be ordered by this court to do something to control" the use of their software, said Russell Frackman, attorney for copyright holders represented by movie and music industry groups. "Filters and blockers can be put into place that will limit the (copyright) infringement."

Morpheus attorney Fred Von Lohmann countered that extending copyright law has "always been the realm of the legislature," and his colleague representing Grokster, Michael Page, said "to expand the law ... leaves no border on it, at all."

Page said if Morpheus and Grokster could be held liable for the copyright infringement of people using their software, then Internet service providers or even companies supplying CD burners, among others, might also be subject to the same penalties.

The arguments heard in a packed court room revisited a key ruling by a lower court in April 2003 in which a federal judge rejected a bid by the film studios and record labels to shutter Grokster and Morpheus.



REVISITING SONY BETAMAX

In that case, the judge ruled the file-sharing services enjoy the same protection as makers of videocassette and DVD recorders. He relied on a 1984 U.S. Supreme Court decision holding Sony Corp. was not liable for copyright infringement by selling VCRs that allowed users to tape TV shows -- a legal finding known as the "Betamax Doctrine."

In the Sony case, the Supreme Court said VCRs had substantial uses besides the taping of copyrighted material and that those uses outweighed the copying function in question.

Similarly in April, U.S. District Court Judge Stephen Wilson ruled Grokster and Morpheus simply provide software for song and movie swapping, but do not govern how it is used. The software had other substantial, non-infringing uses, he said.

Music companies claim song swapping has caused lower sales of CDs because customers copy their free digital music files onto blank CDs, which violates U.S. copyright law.

Film studios believe if they do not stop piracy now, it will hurt them in the future as downloading digital movies gets more common with the growth of broadband Internet connections.

Until Wilson's ruling, record and movie companies had success in lawsuits to shut down file-sharing sites -- most notably, Napster. After the ruling the companies shifted tactics and filed suits against thousands of individuals for copyright infringement -- a move that risked alienating fans.

Appellate Judge John Noonan sharply questioned Frackman on how this suit differed from Sony. Frackman said Sony had no way to prevent unauthorized copying on VCRs once the machines were sold, whereas Morpheus and Grokster could apply the filters.

Various types of filters have been used before, and in some cases -- especially for Napster -- did not work. Although, new technology has improved filtering.

Still, Von Lohmann told Reuters after the proceeding that the filtering argument was little more than smokescreen. "In reality, they want to shut us down, and this is not the job of the courts," he said.

Copyright 2004, Reuters News Service

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  116. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [monjay-at-thefincompany.com: [Orgcom] Orgcom Archives]
  117. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [miker-at-mrbrklyn.com: [Orgcom] List of groups?]
  118. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jaldhar-at-debian.org: RE: [Orgcom] name/logo ideas]
  119. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [george-at-sddi.net: RE: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting]
  120. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [george-at-sddi.net: RE: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting]
  121. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [george-at-sddi.net: RE: [Orgcom] name/logo ideas]
  122. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jaldhar-at-debian.org: [Orgcom] name/logo ideas]
  123. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [marco-at-cfsg.org: Re: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting]
  124. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [miker-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting]
  125. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [miker-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting]
  126. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [marco-at-cfsg.org: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting]
  127. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [sunny-at-opencurve.org: [Orgcom] Call for notes]
  128. 2004-02-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting [jays-at-panix.com]
  129. 2004-02-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting [lo+nyev-at-eskimo.com]
  130. 2004-02-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting [jays-at-panix.com]
  131. 2004-02-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [Orgcom] name/logo ideas [jays-at-panix.com]
  132. 2004-02-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: [Orgcom] name/logo ideas [lo+nyev-at-eskimo.com]
  133. 2004-02-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting [jays-at-panix.com]
  134. 2004-02-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [wes-at-sagesecure.com: RE: [Orgcom] A bit let down by todays meeting]
  135. 2004-02-10 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  136. 2004-02-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  137. 2004-02-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  138. 2004-02-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  139. 2004-02-11 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  140. 2004-02-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  141. 2004-02-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  142. 2004-02-11 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  143. 2004-02-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  144. 2004-02-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  145. 2004-02-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  146. 2004-02-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  147. 2004-02-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  148. 2004-02-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  149. 2004-02-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  150. 2004-02-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] A view from above...
  151. 2004-02-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] A view from above...
  152. 2004-02-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] A view from above...
  153. 2004-02-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] A view from above...
  154. 2004-02-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] A view from above...
  155. 2004-02-13 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  156. 2004-02-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  157. 2004-02-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  158. 2004-02-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] A view from above...
  159. 2004-02-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] I missed some of the first meeting, but I have been told (fwd)
  160. 2004-02-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] I missed some of the first meeting,but I have been told
  161. 2004-02-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Tech update
  162. 2004-02-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  163. 2004-02-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  164. 2004-02-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  165. 2004-02-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  166. 2004-02-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  167. 2004-02-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] Next meeting
  168. 2004-02-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [lo+df-at-eskimo.com: [OrgReps] Re: [ORGCom] Re: Minutes, Means of Communication]
  169. 2004-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] Meeting reminder and agenda [phantom21-at-mindspring.com]
  170. 2004-02-29 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting
  171. 2004-02-29 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting

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