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| DATE | 2004-02-12 |
| FROM | Ruben I Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] A view from above...
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:15:04 -0500
From: Ruben I Safir
To: george-at-sddi.net
Cc: "'Billy O'Connor'" ,
"'Ruben I Safir'" , orgcom-at-lists.nycbug.org,
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Subject: [hangout] Re: [Orgcom] A view from above...
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> Ditto Billy, but I would go a step further.
>
> Reuben, since i approached you at LWE, you have done everything to
> illustrate to me that you are interested in building anything but your
> ego.
>
> Let me start this with a list:
>
> 1. you verbally assaulted me when i *invited* you to the saturday
> meeting on the friday of LWE. this was witnessed by all at the bsdmall
> table, and then when klaus knoppler came over to calm you down, you did
> the same to him.
First of all, spell my name right. Secondly, open the list up as it was agreed.
>
> 2. you started a "competing" list to the current one, and involuntarily
> subscribed everyone on the contact sheet from the first saturday meeting
> on to it. despite the fact that, as i indicated quite clearly at that
> first saturday meeting, that *i* would setup the list, which i did that
> same day. then you made it difficult for anyone to unsubscribe.
>
Our list was up PRIOR to your even thinking of a meeting, and continues to
be up.
> 3. most importantly to me, you have viciously attacked members of this
> group who are making real contributions, including jay and lyn.
Nonsense. And telling a half truth is worse than lieing. It's already been
pointed out by others that one nameless said individual has rattled every list operator
and organizer in New York.
Secondly, there is an outstanding trademark and legal dispute with the other unnamed said
member. Thirdly, as you KNOW, our list and efforts where open and PUBLIC long before you
even thought to help organize this.
Furthermore, if you open your ears and listen to what Monjay, and Marco, and David Sugar,
and Michael Richardson, and Adam Kosmin are saying on this list, you would see I'm just
reiterating it.
Open the mailing list archive. Get you organizational chart in order. Legalize the
status of the effort. Hold a simple election from the delegates for form a board, and
set down understandble rules for organizational inclussion, or this is just blow up,
and NOTHING will get done...
> what's been made clear to all, from your own posts, is that you are
> *not* interested in building this event. michael richardson from your
> organization has contributed to the meetings and not caused pcp-inspired
> disruptions. maybe you should follow his lead, or remove yourself.
>
> g
>
>
Now if I said you, "Your just an asshole" like you said to me after about 15 seconds of
conversation... now that I would consider an ad hominum attack.
Ruben
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