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| DATE | 2008-03-18 |
| FROM | Paul Robert Marino
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
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I was very disapointed by the fact that by the time I had a spare
machine to install it on the gnu gentoo hurd install isos were taken off
of their ftp server due to the fact that it wasn't acepted as an offical
version of gnu gentoo. The only other hurd distro I've found is gnu
debian hurd and my experiances with debian prevents me from trying it.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 2:43 am, Ruben Safir wrote:
> also for what it is worth, I'm looking forward to the day that this
> can work on my standard PC. I hope I'm not dead before this can get my
> sound card running.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
>
> Introduction to the Hurd
>
> The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. The
> Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach microkernel to
> implement file systems, network protocols, file access control, and
> other features that are implemented by the Unix kernel or similar
> kernels
> (such as Linux).
>
> Currently, the Hurd runs on IA32 machines. The Hurd should, and
> probably
> will, be ported to other hardware architectures or other microkernels
> in the future. Advantages of the Hurd The Hurd is not the most
> advanced
> kernel known to the planet (yet), but it does have a number of enticing
> features:
>
> it's free software
> Anybody can use, modify, and redistribute it under the terms of the
> GNU General Public License (GPL).
> it's compatible
> The Hurd provides a familiar programming and user environment. For
> all
> intents and purposes, the Hurd is a modern Unix-like kernel. The
> Hurd
> uses the GNU C Library, whose development closely tracks standards
> such as ANSI/ISO, BSD, POSIX, Single Unix, SVID, and X/Open.
> it's built to survive
> Unlike other popular kernel software, the Hurd has an
> object-oriented
> structure that allows it to evolve without compromising its
> design. This structure will help the Hurd undergo major redesign
> and modifications without having to be entirely rewritten.
> it's scalable
> The Hurd implementation is aggressively multithreaded so that
> it runs efficiently on both single processors and symmetric
> multiprocessors. The Hurd interfaces are designed to allow
> transparent
> network clusters (collectives), although this feature has not yet
> been implemented.
> it's extensible
> The Hurd is an attractive platform for learning how to become a
> kernel
> hacker or for implementing new ideas in kernel technology. Every
> part of the system is designed to be modified and extended.
> it's stable
> It is possible to develop and test new Hurd kernel components
> without
> rebooting the machine (not even accidentally). Running your own
> kernel
> components doesn't interfere with other users, and so no special
> system privileges are required. The mechanism for kernel extensions
> is
> secure by design: it is impossible to impose your changes upon
> other
> users unless they authorize them or you are the system
> administrator.
> it exists
> The Hurd is real software that works Right Now. It is not a
> research
> project or a proposal. You don't have to wait at all before you can
> start using and developing it.
>
> What the Hurd means According to Thomas Bushnell, BSG, the primary
> architect of the Hurd:
>
> `Hurd' stands for `Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons'. And, then,
> `Hird' stands for `Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth'. We have
> here, to my knowledge, the first software to be named by a pair of
> mutually recursive acronyms.
>
> Status of the project
>
> The Hurd, together with the GNU Mach microkernel, the GNU C Library and
> the other GNU and non-GNU programs in the GNU system, provide a rather
> complete and usable operating system today. It is not ready for
> production
> use, as there are still many bugs and missing features. However, it
> should
> be a good base for further development and non-critical application
> usage.
>
> The GNU system (also called GNU/Hurd) is completely self-contained
> (you can compile all parts of it using GNU itself). You can run several
> instances of the Hurd in parallel, and debug even critical servers in
> one Hurd instance with gdb running on another Hurd instance. You can
> run the X window system, applications that use it, and advanced server
> applications like the Apache webserver.
>
> On the negative side, the support for character devices (like sound
> cards)
> and other hardware is mostly missing. Although the POSIX interface
> is provided, some additional interfaces like POSIX shared memory or
> semaphores are still under development.
>
> All this applies to the current development version, and not to the
> last
> release (0.2). We encourage everybody who is interested to try out the
> latest development version, and send feedback to the Hurd developers.
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 02:35:03AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: > On Sat,
> Mar 15, 2008 at 08:48:34PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote: > > Ruben Safir
> wrote:
>> > > > > Package managers by and large, actually all of them, suck in
> the first place > > > Your checklist is wishful thinking. And I'm not
> talking out of my hat. I'm > > > talking from a SUSE 5.3 distro
> running
> on a P2 right now which has been continually patched > > > by hand for
> a LOT of years now. > > > > If by suck, you mean works extremely well
> and makes millions of people > > happy, then yeah, most of them suck.
> Our package managers suck. I wish > > everything sucked as much as my
> package manager does. > > > > > The single biggest mistake someone can
> make aside from a dread aweful > > > rm command in jest is to install
> the
> Kernel from anything but an authenticed > > > source from
> kernel.org. >
>> > > This advice runs counter to that of kernel maintainers, especially
> one > > fellow named Linus Torvalds, who said quite some years ago that
> the > > kernel.org kernel would henceforth not be a finished and ready
> to use > > kernel, IHHO. The quote was something along the lines of
> "that's the > > job of the packagers" > > > > > Also - for what it is
> worth > > >From the Kernel README file: > > INSTALLING the kernel: >
>> - If you install the full sources, put the kernel tarball in a >
> directory where you have permissions (eg. your home directory) and >
> unpack it: > > gzip -cd linux-2.6.XX.tar.gz | tar xvf -
>> > Replace "XX" with the version number of the latest kernel. >
>> Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! This area has a (usually >
> incomplete) set of kernel headers that are used by the library header
>> files. They should match the library, and not get messed up by >
> whatever the kernel-du-jour happens to be. > > - You can also upgrade
> between 2.6.xx releases by patching. Patches are > distributed in
> the
> traditional gzip and the new bzip2 format. To > install by
> patching,
> get all the newer patch files, enter the > top level directory of
> the kernel source (linux-2.6.xx) and execute: > > gzip
> -cd ../patch-2.6.xx.gz | patch -p1 > > > etc etc > > > "Yeah - I write
> Free Software...so SUE ME" > © Copyright for the Digital Millennium
>
> -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com -
> Leadership Development in Free Software
>
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn,
> like
> Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world -
> RI Safir 1998
>
> http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS -
> RI Safir 2002
>
> "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>
> "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers
> to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in
> our own society."
>
> "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and
> technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in
> Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
>
> © Copyright for the Digital Millennium
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