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MESSAGE
DATE 2012-03-05
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
On 03/05/2012 02:12 PM, einker wrote:
> I thought we were not attending the NYLUG Charter meeting as our presence
> was no longer required.
> Has this changed? Also whats with the call in scenario. This was never
> mentioned as well as what time was all this to happen ...
>

ah

The Charter meeting for tomorrow was supposed to be a call in
pconference call, in an attempt to get more of the parties involved. I
wanted to have us at what I thought was going to be live meeting. As it
turns out, I think we need some more support and I really would like
Mike to chair this stuff instead of myself.

But aside from all that, as a matter of reflection, I originally wante
toget this charter done quickly and not lose momentum, and instead it
has dragged on and on to the point where a lot of the parties have just
tuned out. Then a lawyer showed up last meeting and the direction of
the board executives, has shifted from direct election to appointment by
an elected general board, which IMO, puts a huge dent in the ability for
future groups or individuals to be represented in NYLUG. As they want
it, an opposition would have to sustain nearly a decade of opposition
before a real change would come to the operating officers. But they
knew what they wanted going into the last meeting and a lawyer was there
to support the position.

Regardless, if they only have Peter, Brian, Sunny, Rob and Brian show
up, and a lawyer, I'm not serving any purpose chairing. I don't know
what happened to Mark and Kevin and Jeremy and Baruch and Hanna and Ron
and Chris et al.

I'm just feeling exhausted. I've tilted at these windmills for many
years, and I'm just tired.

Ruben
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message -------- From: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Mon Mar 5
>> 13:18:37 2012 Lines: 14 Return-Path: X-Original-To:
>> mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Delivered-To: mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Received: from
>> mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mailbackend.panix.com(Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAC032CAD for
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>> ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:18:36 -0500
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>> www2.mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B4E100B4A; Mon, 5 Mar 2012
>> 13:21:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID:<4F55037C.9070808-at-mrbrklyn.com><4F55037C.9070808-at-mrbrklyn.com> Date:
>> Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:18:36 -0500 From: Ruben Safir User-Agent:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.26) Gecko/20120124
>> SUSE/3.1.18 Thunderbird/3.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NYLUG Technical
>> Discussion Subject: Charter
>> Issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding:
>> 7bit
>>
>> I have a few issues for tomorrows scheduled meeting
>>
>>
>> first, it was supposed to be a call in meeting and we still have no
>> phone number to call in
>>
>> secondly, at the end of the last meeting we were supposed to recieve the
>> wording for the change in the electoral procedure for the board of
>> directors, which you chose to be a fixed generic board that will then
>> appoint officers.
>>
>> I haven't received it.
>>
>> Ruben
>>
>>
>

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