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DATE 2012-03-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2012-03-06
FROM Ron Guerin
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>
> I'm not pretending anything. If anything I'm pretending to be of help
> to people like you, What an IDIOT I am.

I beat you in the idiot department. I thought some of them were my
friends. I've learned a lot about trust since October. And yes, I
should have known better, especially about two of them.

I understand how you're trying to help NYLUG, but I give you my blessing
to walk away if that matters. FWIW, saving NYLUG is no help to me.
Either it's worth saving on its own merits or it's not, and either it
can be saved or it cannot. As to the first, the question is what is
being saved. And again, I feel it's just the domain name, and
principle. NYLUG sure as hell isn't that group of non-participants and
Brian that appointed themselves as "the board". They can call
themselves that and while it's offensive and their plans for NYLUG are
offensive to its essence, all they really have are three domain names,
and this has been too hard on too many people over a set of domain names.

As to the second, I don't see how you can stop them without lawyers and
lawsuits. Is it really worth all that for three domain names and the
principle of the thing? It seems like a terrible waste of everyone's
time, money and other capital. We all know what's happened here, and
that'll have to be enough. It's a story that will never go away, thanks
to the Internet, it should serve as a warning to others not to deal with
the NYLUG junta. At this point, I would rather see people use their
energy on positive things, and avoid the coup participants at their own
peril.

- Ron

  1. 2012-03-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New job US based Sr. Perl Engineer - NY
  2. 2012-03-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this worth a try?
  3. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [Israel.pm] videos from "Perl Workshop in Israel"
  4. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  5. 2012-03-05 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  6. 2012-03-05 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  7. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  8. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Modern Perl 2011-2012 PDFs Available!
  9. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  10. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  11. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  12. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  13. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  14. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  15. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  16. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  17. 2012-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  18. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  19. 2012-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  20. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  21. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Charter Issues
  22. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Charter Drafting Round Table - Tomorrow!
  23. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Charter: Election and Term of Office
  24. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Helene.Barnett-at-ctg.com: Please post this new Linux position]
  25. 2012-03-07 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 2012 Linux For Wall Street. Anyone interested in going? April 2
  26. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [colleen-at-mcvb.org: Re : In Response To Your Email , 29/01/2012 .]
  27. 2012-03-08 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 2012 Linux For Wall Street. Anyone interested
  28. 2012-03-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Maybe it's a virus
  29. 2012-03-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] we can do better than this
  30. 2012-03-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  31. 2012-03-13 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  32. 2012-03-13 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  33. 2012-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  34. 2012-03-14 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  35. 2012-03-14 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  36. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  37. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  38. 2012-03-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  39. 2012-03-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  40. 2012-03-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  41. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  42. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] job security
  43. 2012-03-15 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  44. 2012-03-15 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  45. 2012-03-15 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  46. 2012-03-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  47. 2012-03-16 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  48. 2012-03-16 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  49. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  50. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  51. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  52. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  53. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  54. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  55. 2012-03-18 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  56. 2012-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Support of Nazism
  57. 2012-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Support of Nazism
  58. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Low Paperwork grants from the Linux Fund
  59. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Message via your Google Profile: nazi channels
  60. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Message via your Google Profile: nazi channels
  61. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  62. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  63. 2012-03-21 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  64. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  65. 2012-03-21 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  66. 2012-03-21 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  67. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  68. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  69. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  70. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  71. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  72. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  73. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  74. 2012-03-21 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  75. 2012-03-22 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  76. 2012-03-22 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  77. 2012-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  78. 2012-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Search Engine Alternatives
  79. 2012-03-23 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  80. 2012-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  81. 2012-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Job choices
  82. 2012-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] just once
  83. 2012-03-25 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Job choices
  84. 2012-03-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  85. 2012-03-26 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  86. 2012-03-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  87. 2012-03-26 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  88. 2012-03-27 Ronny <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!

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