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DATE 2012-03-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2012-03-06
FROM Ron Guerin
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
Ruben Safir wrote:
> On 03/05/2012 11:50 PM, Ron Guerin wrote:
>> You know very well that at this point,
>> anything I think is a good thing, they're ideologically opposed to. So
>> really, my being there could only impede the process.
>>
>
>
> Un FUcking BELIEVABLE

I get that you want me there. But there is absolutely no point to it.
Any charter that didn't terminate the membership status of most of the
members and that doesn't leave the Gang deciding who gets to be one is
never going to be accepted. The trotting out of the lawyer and the
constant bringing up of one made that very clear.

You want to pretend you're dealing with decent people with good
intentions, that's up to you. If this is your way of establishing in a
"proof" sense that they won't do the right thing, this is just asking
too much of everyone, yourself included. It's too high a price to pay.

I am reminded of the wise words of Ruth Shanen who said the correct
thing to do in situations like this is form a new group. Ruth surely
wasn't thinking of heists when she said that, but the essential wisdom
remains. You can't save NYLUG from the people who've already forever
tarnished its reputation, and I think it's expecting too much of Aaron
to expect him to refuse to turn the domains over to them. I have heard
from enough people now to know that the next step is going to be be when
some of those people form a new group. Trying to get dishonorable
people to behave honorably is a waste of resources.

- Ron

  1. 2012-03-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New job US based Sr. Perl Engineer - NY
  2. 2012-03-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this worth a try?
  3. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [Israel.pm] videos from "Perl Workshop in Israel"
  4. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  5. 2012-03-05 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  6. 2012-03-05 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  7. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  8. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Modern Perl 2011-2012 PDFs Available!
  9. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  10. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  11. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  12. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  13. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  14. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  15. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  16. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  17. 2012-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  18. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  19. 2012-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  20. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  21. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Charter Issues
  22. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Charter Drafting Round Table - Tomorrow!
  23. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Charter: Election and Term of Office
  24. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Helene.Barnett-at-ctg.com: Please post this new Linux position]
  25. 2012-03-07 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 2012 Linux For Wall Street. Anyone interested in going? April 2
  26. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [colleen-at-mcvb.org: Re : In Response To Your Email , 29/01/2012 .]
  27. 2012-03-08 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 2012 Linux For Wall Street. Anyone interested
  28. 2012-03-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Maybe it's a virus
  29. 2012-03-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] we can do better than this
  30. 2012-03-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  31. 2012-03-13 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  32. 2012-03-13 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  33. 2012-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  34. 2012-03-14 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  35. 2012-03-14 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  36. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  37. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  38. 2012-03-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  39. 2012-03-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  40. 2012-03-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  41. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  42. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] job security
  43. 2012-03-15 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  44. 2012-03-15 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  45. 2012-03-15 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  46. 2012-03-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  47. 2012-03-16 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  48. 2012-03-16 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  49. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  50. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  51. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  52. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  53. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  54. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  55. 2012-03-18 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  56. 2012-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Support of Nazism
  57. 2012-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Support of Nazism
  58. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Low Paperwork grants from the Linux Fund
  59. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Message via your Google Profile: nazi channels
  60. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Message via your Google Profile: nazi channels
  61. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  62. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  63. 2012-03-21 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  64. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  65. 2012-03-21 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  66. 2012-03-21 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  67. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  68. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  69. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  70. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  71. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  72. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  73. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  74. 2012-03-21 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  75. 2012-03-22 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  76. 2012-03-22 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  77. 2012-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  78. 2012-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Search Engine Alternatives
  79. 2012-03-23 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  80. 2012-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  81. 2012-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Job choices
  82. 2012-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] just once
  83. 2012-03-25 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Job choices
  84. 2012-03-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  85. 2012-03-26 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  86. 2012-03-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  87. 2012-03-26 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  88. 2012-03-27 Ronny <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!

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