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DATE 2012-03-01

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DATE 2012-03-21
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
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On 03/21/2012 05:55 PM, Ron Guerin wrote:
> On 03/21/2012 05:05 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> If you want to believe that. I had a situation where everyone had a
>> fair say in the situation and you guys backed off.
> Don't know what to say, except that it seems you've already made a list
> of people who apparently disagree.


I have no idea what your talking about, but i would have given my right
arm to have had someone intercede for me when NY fair Use and NYLXS was
under sieze the way that I interceded on your behalf, and I'm hearing a
distinct lack of gratitude about that effort.

> Me for sure. I'm not sure what
> you're blaming me for,

I'm only blaming you for not following through with the charter process
so that a fair charter would happen, one that would identify and address
all your genuine and legitimate concerns.

> since I have no influence on the process,

You had as much say as anyone. MORE so.


> and am
> quite certain dishonest people will not suddenly become honorable when
> it comes time to send the charter in.

They agreed to a public process with rogers rules of order and majority
voting. And your faction turned your back on that and walked away.


> I'm not the one being unrealistic
> or unreasonable, and the charter meetings frankly did nothing whatsoever
> to solve the problem that brought us to where we're at now. Far from
> it, since you were helping steer it in a direction where only a small
> number of the people who are currently members (more likely that they'll
> mostly be people who were never members prior to the coup) will be
> allowed to vote once/if voting ever happens.
>
> If you're upset with me for not backing that, that's something I'm quite
> prepared to proudly embrace. I have to live with the choices I make,
> and I'm certain I have done the right thing. Can't say the same for too
> many others involved in it though.
>
> - Ron


  1. 2012-03-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New job US based Sr. Perl Engineer - NY
  2. 2012-03-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this worth a try?
  3. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [Israel.pm] videos from "Perl Workshop in Israel"
  4. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  5. 2012-03-05 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  6. 2012-03-05 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  7. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  8. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Modern Perl 2011-2012 PDFs Available!
  9. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  10. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  11. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  12. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  13. 2012-03-05 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  14. 2012-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  15. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  16. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  17. 2012-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  18. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  19. 2012-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  20. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Charter Issues
  21. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Charter Issues
  22. 2012-03-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] NYLUG Charter Drafting Round Table - Tomorrow!
  23. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Charter: Election and Term of Office
  24. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Helene.Barnett-at-ctg.com: Please post this new Linux position]
  25. 2012-03-07 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 2012 Linux For Wall Street. Anyone interested in going? April 2
  26. 2012-03-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [colleen-at-mcvb.org: Re : In Response To Your Email , 29/01/2012 .]
  27. 2012-03-08 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 2012 Linux For Wall Street. Anyone interested
  28. 2012-03-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Maybe it's a virus
  29. 2012-03-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] we can do better than this
  30. 2012-03-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  31. 2012-03-13 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  32. 2012-03-13 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  33. 2012-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  34. 2012-03-14 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  35. 2012-03-14 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  36. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  37. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  38. 2012-03-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  39. 2012-03-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  40. 2012-03-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  41. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  42. 2012-03-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] job security
  43. 2012-03-15 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  44. 2012-03-15 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  45. 2012-03-15 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep test
  46. 2012-03-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  47. 2012-03-16 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  48. 2012-03-16 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  49. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  50. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  51. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  52. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  53. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  54. 2012-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  55. 2012-03-18 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  56. 2012-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Support of Nazism
  57. 2012-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Support of Nazism
  58. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Low Paperwork grants from the Linux Fund
  59. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Message via your Google Profile: nazi channels
  60. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Message via your Google Profile: nazi channels
  61. 2012-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  62. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  63. 2012-03-21 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  64. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  65. 2012-03-21 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  66. 2012-03-21 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  67. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  68. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  69. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  70. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  71. 2012-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  72. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  73. 2012-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
  74. 2012-03-21 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  75. 2012-03-22 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  76. 2012-03-22 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  77. 2012-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  78. 2012-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Search Engine Alternatives
  79. 2012-03-23 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  80. 2012-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing for ...well Fish
  81. 2012-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Job choices
  82. 2012-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] just once
  83. 2012-03-25 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Job choices
  84. 2012-03-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  85. 2012-03-26 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  86. 2012-03-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  87. 2012-03-26 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!
  88. 2012-03-27 Ronny <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Give me FREEDOM!!

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