|FROM ||Ruben Safir
|SUBJECT ||Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] trying to save NYLUG
|On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:10:11AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> I'm having flash backs of when school district 79 asked me if NYLXS had a
> PHP curiculum.
All good and well, but I rememeber also sitting at the library on Leroy
Street with everyone having a chance to have their input with Michael
acting as a Chair and about 20 people present after Jay threw a huff and
walked out, and there was a long civil discussion, a motion and a vote
to incorperate NYLUG and to create a charter. And all your guys did was
do the same thing that ole crazy Jay did, after a few weeks you threw a
temper tantrum and walked out, leaving nobody but Brian, Sunny, Peter, Rob, and
Brian and a Lawyer to make the charter.
So Sunny must have learned something that everyone else failed to learn,
which is not to run out the door in a huff.
There is no Coup at this point, Ron. YOU fucking HANDED NYLUG to them on a
silver platter, and let me down in a big way.
You should be ashamed, and I'm a total idiot and should have known
better. It is so much easier to piss on my leg on the hangout mailing
list then to do the real work that is necessary when handling
contentious political situations in an adult way. I've seen this act
out before and I have no idea why I thought that it would play out
better this time. I just thought 20 year of liing experience might make
people mature. But it is ture what they say, people don't change.
> I mentioned it in the education commitee meeting and Rubin
> Evan and I along with every one else there but sunny agreed we should offer
> them our perl curiculum but if they insist on PHP we should introduce them
> to the right people at nyphp because the already had a curiculum ready to
> go and every body would win. Sunnys responce was that Rubin and I were anti
> php. I told him if he wanted to write a better curriculum than nyphps the
> please do so and well get them to switch to his once it was ready. Sunny
> the threw a fit and stomed out saying I wasn't letting him participate
> because I hated php and would never come to one of our meetings again.
> The best part is he went crying to jay about it, and the next time I ran
> into jay all he talked abou is how psyco sunny was for bad mouthing my work
> with the schools lol.
> I'm amused and disturbed by this whole thing because sunnys antics are
> still hilarious but I'm sorry nylug is getting hurt by it.
> On Mar 14, 2012 5:05 PM, "Ron Guerin" wrote:
> > (resent from earlier)
> > On 03/14/2012 07:45 AM, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:43:11PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote:
> > >> Kevin Mark wrote:
> > >>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:22PM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Read this. This is why I was putting in the effort.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> so sunny say that he has done TONS for NYLUG unlike ron?
> > >>> where sunny says that ron went against NYLUG members by having a
> meeting at (evil) M$, but that no one objected?
> > >>> or that how sunny said that ron objected to using meetup (but ron
> > >>> what is your point?
> > Sunny said I wanted to hold a meeting at Microsoft over the objections
> > of the others. I did say *I* would be willing to meet at Microsoft.
> > I'm willing to discuss why, if anyone wants to do that. It's irrelevant
> > however as to the question of whether or not I wanted to or tried to
> > hold a meeting somewhere over the objections of others. (unless of
> > course you count the time we were at IBM and IBM was talking about
> > putting DRM into disk drives, but I note Sunny had no outrage about
> > meeting at IBM)
> > The problems with Sunny's assertions are:
> > 1: I did not want to meet at Microsoft over the objections of anyone.
> > 2: Sunny (and Brian) have a habit of spinning every time I expressed an
> > opinion into some kind of dictatorial offense. It seems everyone else
> > is allowed to have an opinion, but I am not.
> > - Ron